Need some opinions

[hank-aye]

Ran across this website with this "SALE";

  <http://wyldewares.com/specials.aspx>
   
SOOOOO... I sent them an email asking where he got the guns from. This is the answer that I received;

I have them made by a company in india, i have a n order going out in the next week If you are interested in purchasing one please move fast or you will have to wait a bit
right now they're by order onlyand as soon as this order goes out i'll remove the list, until i order again, some guns are not available depends on my supplier having it in stock so email me if you need more info

Thankyou

Charles Wilkerson
(SCA: Lord Asolfr Vikarsson)

Wilkerson's www.WyldeWares.com
( SCA: Asolfr's Workshoppe)

Let me have it... worthwhile checking out or "if it's to good to be true, it probably isn't"?

[Red Badger]

IMHO... Run do not walk to the exit...

"These can be bought as firing or non-firing weapons.  in-case you wish to give a gift or use in productions.  they all can be fixed to fire ($25 for me to drill)"

To me this means they are made in a non-firing condition and as such the materials may not be safe to use when subjected to the rigors of firing Black powder thru them....

Now if ya just want a wall hanger... that is ok....

[forrest]

 

[hank-aye]

Well, I sent the following to ask a few ?'s.

Appericate the info. Was taught at an early age ta ask a lot of questions. These are applicibal to all but I'm primarlly instrested in the 1669 French Musket ($475.00).
Here goes;

Are these barrells 'PROOFED' ?

is there any kind of warrenty?

what type of wood is used for the stocks?

You say in the add that if needed you can drill so the arm can be fired, does this imply that they are primarilly intended for "wall hanging"?

What is the Length of Pull for the French Musket? (also what are the other measurements, drop at comb. etc.)

Anything else that if you were thinking about buying YOU would ask to put your mind at ease...
Thanks again for your time;
hank

I'll keeps ya posted.

BTW JJ I'm pretty much of the same opinion as yeself.

Anyone else want to chime in...I'm a listenin
h-a

[aka-kesler]

Ifn it sounds too good to be true you know the rest.   All I can say is buyer beware!!!!

[hank-aye]

Back again
Update includes answers to ?'s I sent yesterday, after the Here goes: the ?'s are mine What comes after is his answers.

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Appericate the info. Was taught at an early age ta ask a lot of questions. These are applicial to all but I'm primarlly instrested in the 1669 French Musket ($475.00).
Here goes;

Are these barrells 'PROOFED' ?
   No they are not proofed by manufacturer, they are sent never used.
The Barrels are a D.O.M. Tubing very strong and can hold a regluar charge easily, i even know some who double or triple (no ball on those) and there is no adverse problems

is there any kind of warrenty?
   I will Warrant the lock against defects, and normal use for a few months, if you remove the main springs with anything but a spring vise it voids any warranty. the lock will be either replaced or repaired , my choice.

what type of wood is used for the stocks?
  To be honest i'm not sure, but i will try to find out

You say in the add that if needed you can drill so the arm can be fired, does this imply that they are primarilly intended for "wall hanging"?
  It is simply a safety precausion, they are classified as Non-firing antique reprodutions. and that is what they are unless you choose to drill out a flash hole, then they are fully operational antique reproductions

What is the Length of Pull for the French Musket? (also what are the other measurements, drop at comb. etc.)
Not sure of the measurements, it is an acurate reproduction,

Anything else that if you were thinking about buying YOU would ask to put your mind at ease...
How long have i had this supplier?
Well this will be the first time i'v ordered with them directly, have always used a middle man, i.e. MSTCo and Loyalist arms, both great companies but a better deal to buy direct, and the last few orders with MSTCo have left very bad taste in my mouth.
But all in all i just wanted a better deal, Loyalist carries the same guns i can order.

How long have i shot?
I have been shooting from the age of 5, started doing minor smithing at 14, been into pirates since 3 (dads fault) and have made some of my own BP flintlocks and matchlocks when i was younger; from iron pipes and more.... some haven't come out so good (scars to prove).
I love guns and would not sale anything i would not shoot. honestly there is a bit much wood on the stocks, but if you want to do stock carving or just a little sanding and re-finishing they will turn out great

Please understand, i trust my items but i will not be held accountable for mis-use or overloading, you take full and complete responsability when shooting these, if you choose to drill a flash hole.

Thanks again for your time;
hank
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Ok folks, any and ALL input greatfully appericated,
hankaye

[skwerly66]

Hmmm  very intersting, pipe, wood, lock, blackpowder, BOOM! Sounds like something I woulda made when I was 12.

[William]

I have to be honest with you, it just doesn't sound like you are buying an item that is intended to be a working firearm.  The species of wood isn't even known, the barrel is made from tube stock with no proof testing and no way to know how many PSI "tough" can contain, and you have to drill the flash hole yourself.  A good looking wallhanger that makes sparks when you drop the hammer is one thing, but stuffing gun powder into a metal pipe that may or may not contain the pressure is another.

I urge extreme caution if you are going to do the latter.

[n5lyc]

I had to look up what D.O.M tubing was, for those like me. here is some help i found on the web

DOM tubing is made by rolling mild steel sheet and then welding the seam, then a a mandrel is run through the center to accurately size the tubing and smooth the weld seam, The additional mechanical working adds strength to the tubing by "cold working". Also with an accurate wall thickness it is very uniform and predictable.
True seamless tubing is another matter. This is made by taking a billet of steel and piercing it with a "bullet shape" to form a tube. This is expensive tubing as you can imagine.

Mild steel ( 1020 ), welded seam ( ERS) mechanical tubing would have a yield strength of around 40,000psi
DOM tubing ( which is usually made from 1020 and has a welded seam ) , due to the additional cold working could have a yield strength around 70,000psi. Also , this tubing would be more uniform in wall thickness than the ERS tubing.

I just don't know about that, i know damascus barrels here used in BP shotguns, and were mild steel,  and twisted around a mandrel. and worked great.

Not knowing the country of origin, quality, and other unknown factors I would have to pass.

I just don't know if i would pull the trigger with 60-90 gr of FF 6 inches from my face.

Not A Rock Knocker...

[hank-aye]

Not a RockNocker, Good input, got me ta lookin. found that "The vender" said in his first answer to me (post#1), that they come from India. I also did a bit of research and found these;

Earle M_ Jorgensen Company ® - Products - Blue Book.mht!  http://www.emjmetals.com/products/bluebook.asp
(see page 75) 

and then there is;

Pirate4x4.Com
Bulletin Board > General Tech > General 4x4 Discussion >
What is DOM tube?
Follow the thread...

Then,

carbonalloytubing.pdf

Sooooo, when I start puttin all of this information togather I remembered TVMCo

      http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/index.shtml

Then go to FAQs They get thier's from India, I think this dude was getting from same source.

[William]

From the FAQ's;
Q #11: Is the vent hole drilled?
A: Yes. A flintlock without a vent hole is a fancy paperweight. We sell muzzleloaders, not paperweights. For paperweights, try an office supply store. For international shipment, we can provide an unvented barrel upon request, sometimes advance notice is needed for an unvented gun though as 99.99% of our customers want them ready to shoot.

[Red Badger]

I don't think he is getting from the same supplier as TVM... if he is he is getting their 2nd's, and that would lead me to believe that they are not safe....  I personally would save up for something that i am sure is safe rather than bet my life on something that might not be.... 

I gamble but not with my life or health.....

[DEADDAWG]

Guys, Lets do a correction here. TVM is either Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading or Tennessee Valley Manufacturing. Middlesex Village Trading is MVT. Please don't confuse the two, it would be a great disservice to two quality builders, Matt Avance and Jack Garner. TVM = Quality, MVT = Junk.

Rick

[hank-aye]

Very sorry about the mix-up, slightly dislexyc some times shoot the wrong foot  ment no disrespect intended, Recon that's why the other has the name so close to the other??

Movin on...

Sent an email to everyone's favorite female pirate( ),to see what the rep is on the trader I was originally askin about.
Thought that she might use her seagoin contacts ta hep out.
hankaye

[n5lyc]

They do look nice,
i would like to handle one, and have a competent black powder gunsmith look it over.
before i made a decision.
the prices do not seem to be too bad.

almost pretty enough to give up my name and try knocking rocks again.

now  a wheel lock!
there we go..