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[kit_carson]

unless you consider that person is western fur trade, mountain man, 1820-1860 which means that pistol could be almost anything and still be correct. i would wonder more about the flintlock GPR he's carring

[Bear Medicine]

Well, where I play, we consider the end of the Fur Trade Era to be 1840.  But everywhere is different

[Cowgirl]

Even though ther could be 'faults' I still think that it is a lovely painting and would be nice if it was hanging in my cabin.

It gives me an idear that I might do this weekend. I have this courdroy skirt and all I need is the right style shirt and I can do my own version useing photo shop....Mmmmmm

[kit_carson]

Well, where I play, we consider the end of the Fur Trade Era to be 1840.  But everywhere is different

well that may be where you play, but the truth is the fur trade in the rockies was 1830-1860. most "rondy's" do the 1840 date to separate them selves from the civil war.

with an 1840 cut off, you leave out all the great mountain men, Hugh Glass, Jim Bridger, John Johnston, Jedidiah Smith, etc. etc. and the list goes on!

[kit_carson]

Well, where I play, we consider the end of the Fur Trade Era to be 1840.  But everywhere is different

its still a GPR flinter, and does not represent anything made at the time in this country

[trucker]

    
The American Era (1816-1850)
     
     

1816
    By Congressional Act, the United States forbid foreigners to trade on US soil. The American Fur Co. hired ex-North West traders to work for them. A border war began between the North West Co. and the American Fur Co.. The old Fon du Lac District was renamed the Northern Outfit.
1818
    John Sayer's old clerk, Joseph La Prairie began working for the American Fur Co. He continued working for them until 1821.
1821
    The North West Co. and the Hudson Bay Co. merged under the name Hudson Bay Co. A major factor in the decision to merge was the high transportation costs shipping through the Great Lakes. In addition, the Hudson Bay Co. charter had stronger legal backing to right of land by discovery than the partnership claims of the North West Co. After this time, most trade goods were shipped through Hudson Bay for the interior posts. The border war still continued between the Hudson Bay Co. and the American Fur Co. It did not end until 1833 when the American Fur Co. abandoned its posts along the border in exchange for an annual cash payment from Hudson Bay.
1824
    Trade in the Snake River area was described as very poor, but trade licenses continued to be issued until the late 1830's.
1834
    American Fur Co. was reorganized. Ramsey Crooks now operated the company. American Fur had a monopoly in the Fon du Lac, but due to expenses, cut the number of its posts in the region by half.
1836
    Missionaries arrived at Lake Pokegama.
1837
    The Ojibwe signed a treaty giving the Folle Avoine to the United States. The Ojibwe were supposed to move to the Crow Wing River. However, some family groups remained in the St. Croix Valley. Lumbering started in the St. Croix Valley. The Northern Outfit was reorganized and Dr. Charles W. W. Borup supervised the area from La Pointe.
1838
    The annuity payment time from the Hudson Bay Co. was now more important that the fall hunting and trapping period. The American Fur Co. received $3,500 of the $4,700 given to the Ojibwe.
1840
    The post at Lake Pokegama was sold to a government sponsored farmer. The Ojibwe in the area are divided, some retaining traditional life styles, others adopting the agricultural life style recommended by the missionaries.
1842
    American Fur Co. fails financially and is replaced by Pierre Chouteau and Co. of St. Louis. Ramsey Crooks kept control of the Northern Outfit, but now traded with both Indians and whites. The white population was rapidly increasing in the St. Croix Valley. Trade companies invested in lumbering, banking, general merchandising, steamboats and land speculation.
1843
    The Northern Outfit was falling apart. Many independent traders entered the area and Henry Sibley sent traders in from the south.
1847
    Henry Rice moved into Ojibwe territory. He as supplied by Henry Sibley. His "Chippewa Outfit" took many employees from Borup and the Northern Outfit.
1849
    The Northern Outfit was sold to Borup who renamed it the Northern Fur Co.. Borup later merged with the Chippewa Outfit. Arguments between Rice and Sibley ended with Rice leaving and Borup left in charge of the "Minnesota Outfit".
1850
    The beaver hat was now out of fashion in Europe, signaling the end of the fur trade.
1854
    Lake Superior Ojibwe sign a treaty creating reservations in Minnesota and Wisconsin.
1858
    Minnesota statehood.
1867
    Canadian confederation.

The fur trade slowly collapsed. The trade had only worked when the Indians had control of the land. The fur trade did not die entirely from a lack of furs. Furs had become hard to find at a number of times during the fur trade era. The lack of Indians available to assist with trapping and maintaining the trading system was perhaps as important. The change in fashion to the silk hat in Europe was the final blow.

With the end of the fur trade era, many traders entered the new businesses of real estate, lumbering, mining or railroading. Some continued to operate small stores in Indian communities.
     



     

[Bear Medicine]

Well, where I play, we consider the end of the Fur Trade Era to be 1840.  But everywhere is different

well that may be where you play, but the truth is the fur trade in the rockies was 1830-1860. most "rondy's" do the 1840 date to separate them selves from the civil war.

with an 1840 cut off, you leave out all the great mountain men, Hugh Glass, Jim Bridger, John Johnston, Jedidiah Smith, etc. etc. and the list goes on!

Hey, I didn't make the rules.  They were already established by the time I showed up.  I just have to play by them around here.  I do more colonial than anything else myself.

Besides, 3 of the 4 listed never saw 1840 let alone 1860.
Hugh Glass died in 1833
Jedediah Smith died in 1831
John Johnston died in 1828 (this is not the infamous Liver-eating Johnson)

[kit_carson]

John Johnston died in 1828 (this is not the infamous Liver-eating Johnson)

um actually that is liver eatin johnson aka the crow killer, died jan 21 1900 los angeles california

[Mongo40]

back to the painting, the power line going over the hill and the jet contral in the sky ruin it for me

[Bear Medicine]

John Johnston died in 1828 (this is not the infamous Liver-eating Johnson)

um actually that is liver eatin johnson aka the crow killer, died jan 21 1900 los angeles california

Point taken.  I figured that's who you were referring to but there was also John Johnston the Irishman who worked for the North West Company and traded around the Great Lakes region.  But he was more a trader than a 'mountain man".  As I said, everywhere is different.  Most folks around here are kinda keeping themselves within the Texas Republic era from what I can tell.  That may be the reason they use 1840 also.  Who knows...As Mongo40 sez, back to the picture...

As I don't see a bit on the bridle.  Its definitely not an Indian bridle which would not have one and I don't know that many trappers went into the woods trying to control a horse with just a hackamore.  Maybe he's from French trapper, cuz he looks like a Conehead with that hat ("We come from France!").  Showing my age now. 

[trucker]

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[Cowgirl]

If I am not mistaken the bridle is one of the bitless types that is why no bit is visible. Many horse men used them as they are a lot kinder on the horses mouth. Pressure is applied on the nose and chin and that is how the commands are transmitted to the horse via the reins.

[Micanopy]

Its a Hackamore, uses nose control rather than mouth control. The style in the painting is circa 1980-2009.

[williedee]

back to the painting, the power line going over the hill and the jet contral in the sky ruin it for me

Dog-Gonnit Mongo, Ya made me look...........................TWICE!
That little yaller feller with his thumbs in his ears an' tungue hangin' out shoulda been a dead give-a-way you was pullin' me laig!
Got my tin foil tricorn hat on now; ya won't git me agin', by golly!

[kit_carson]

Got my tin foil tricorn hat on now; ya won't git me agin', by golly!

this i want to see a picture of!