question about set triggers on ardessa hawkens

[beowulf]

was just given a poorly assembled ardessa hawken , basically rebuilding and refinishing the old gun . question is this , should the triggers have to be set to put the lock on half cock or fire the rifle ?  unless you set the trigger it wont go to full cock , and the half cock does`nt work , just touching the firing trigger will make the hammer fall , set the triggers and the half cock works great , rock strong , and rifle will go to full cock and function properly .  having never owned one of these before , I just want to know , is this the way it`s designed to work ?

[hotfxr]

Having one I can tell you that no it should not. My trigger needed a bit of adjustment to keep it from firing by breathing on the front trigger, but when adjusted properly (IMHO) there is no difference between it and my CVA's and Jukkars that have double set triggers.

[beowulf]

that`s what I thought , this one will not go to full cock unless the the triggers are set , it will go to half cock , but the slightest pressure makes the hammer fall , set the trigger first , and the half cock locks up real nice , and when put on full cock , just a two or three pound trigger pull ! first time I`ve run into this ! could use it exactly the way it is , but , would prefer to get it working as designed , any ideas what could be wrong ?

[Watauga]

 As a general rule Ardessa Hawken set triggers work pretty well, Same Units as Jukor, CVA Traditions etc
Look on Traditions Websight and find the support files for a Hawken they have the Adjustment Procedures in a Pdf File for the Triggers.

https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/data/product_owner_manuals/CURRENT%20-%20FIT%207%20Revised%20Final%20FINAL_1477335832.pdf


https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/data/product_schematics/Pennsylvania%20Rifle_1366033001.pdf

[beowulf]

thanks , I`ll check that out !

[beowulf]

that did`nt help at all ! lol  gotta do some trial and error stuff until I get it working , if it does`nt get to working by the end of the week . it may end up with a single trigger , wont be the first time I`ve done it !

[hotfxr]

It almost seems either someone modified the lock to get a hair trigger or maybe even changed it out to where you cannot cock it without setting the back trigger first. That is how a couple of antiques that I have helped with worked. Actually that's how one worked, the other one you could cock it but it would not fire without setting the back trigger. First thing I would do is take it apart and check for file or grinding marks to see if has been monkeyed with. Let me know, I think I have some replacement parts if you need them.

[Dogshirt]

I have had a few rifles with this issue, and they all had one thing in common. Either the trigger was inlet too deep or the sear tang had been bent. In either instance there isn't enough room between the trigger and sear to engage the half cock notch unless the trigger was set. In the first instance I shimmed the trigger with a piece of sanded down "popsicle stick" glued in. In the 2nd I just tweaked the sear tang a bit to relieve the "tension" between the two. Both are easy fixes, the only HARD part is sanding down a small piece of wood to the proper thickness. That has been my experience with them, YMMV.

[beowulf]

I have had a few rifles with this issue, and they all had one thing in common. Either the trigger was inlet too deep or the sear tang had been bent. In either instance there isn't enough room between the trigger and sear to engage the half cock notch unless the trigger was set. In the first instance I shimmed the trigger with a piece of sanded down "popsicle stick" glued in. In the 2nd I just tweaked the sear tang a bit to relieve the "tension" between the two. Both are easy fixes, the only HARD part is sanding down a small piece of wood to the proper thickness. That has been my experience with them, YMMV.

I`ve had it apart , and I think you may very well be right , it looks to be inletted to deep , might try adding a shim or two and see what happens , if it works I`ll make them permanent ! the lock and trigger mechanism seems to be untouched , exactly as the came from the factory , had a similar problem with an older custom piece , fixed it with a shim cut from a cereal box , used it like that for 25 years ! lol

[Patocazador]

I put a kit together and the stock was inletted too deeply. The triggers wouldn't work properly. I shimmed it with some strips from an old feeler gauge (automotive). That solved the problem.