why is it.........................

[Micanopy]

That modern man has elevated hooved animals, ie deer and the like, to such a higher standard than so called lesser creatures? I find it odd that its perfectly ok to leg trap a coyote, a coon, or a fox and then bash its skull in with a club. Its fine to trap a beaver and let it take 4 minutes to droun with little or no thought to its "Nobel" standings in the wild world yet for some reason elk, deer, mountain sheep, mountain goats, are held up as "Nobel Creatures" that some how magically hold a higher place in the grand schyme of things. Why would it not be, as in the old days, perfectly ok to run an entire herd of elk off a cliff to gather them as food? Or whitetail, or mulies? Funny how that 100 years ago or so the grand owner of the plains was considered a pain in the neck vermin, but today holds the highest place in a hunters mind? Just was wondering about this.

[NAULTRICK1]

Yep, they are noble creatures and such until they've been protected so much that they're eatin their prize petunias, and attackin Fluffy and Muffy

[Micanopy]

Yep, ya got that dead on!

[Baldy]

Hollywood  and Bambi.  After that movie, there was a lot of angst over those noble creatures being killed and eaten.

[Micanopy]

You could be very right, but I hear this from more "Hunters" than non-hunters.

[Tim Burns]

I think its all about Advertising and Marketing! Thats where the $$$ are... And the industry runs into the billions - nationwide... I just hope we don't price ourselves out of the game...

[mongrel]

I can only speak for myself.

I "elevate" the animals I hunt to a status that demands I be sporting and make a quick, clean kill because I am so ultra-sensitive as to not want to inflict needless pain on an animal, simply because I need to first kill it in order to take the meat from its body and eat it. I don't enjoy killing but I do enjoy eating and I hunt simply as a business deal -- saving money I often don't have by killing my own food.

There is no contrast between this attitude and my attitude toward trapping, because I won't trap. I won't drown a critter and I won't club something to death to save the cost of a .22 LR cartridge. And, no, this has nothing to do with Bambi, the Lion King, or Old Yeller. I simply don't care to inflict needless pain on an animal. I do not NEED to do these things to survive and do not consider financial gain to be a reason to do them, either.

This is my personal opinion and I'm not going to attempt to stop anyone else doing differently as they see fit, so I don't see that there's any basis for an argument in what I've stated here.

[Micanopy]

I dont see any basis for an argument either. You hold them all at the same level. Thats fine.

[Hawken50]

  Yer right Baldy,Bambi's ta blame.And ifn it was up to the tree huggers,their would be NO hunting at all.the deer would overrun everywhere and get smaller.......Mmmmm Bambi,,mmmmm backstraps fer breakfast.

[NAULTRICK1]

If the tree huggers want something to complain about they should look into how their Kobe beef is raised and understand that game in the bush at least has a chance, for anyone who has stalked game knows what I mean, some of them animals are spooky smart

[mlisa]

yes, you are all right! remember cartoon animals TALK!

[mongrel]

When "The Lion King" came out on DVD a niece of mine would sit in our house and watch the thing every day she came over. My wife was not amused when I tried to insist that, for every third viewing, the kid be required to sit through "The Ghost And The Darkness" as an antidote for Disney overload.

Funny how I'm categorized by some folks as a borderline tree-hugger or flaming liberal but to the honest-to-God tree-huggers and flaming liberals (and my now-ex-wife) I'm a full-fledged, knuckle-dragging, bloodthirsty psychotic. People are funny -- not in a very ha-ha sort of way, though....

[Baldy]

What people seem to ignore is that we have a role to fill as predators, whether we like it or not.  We have changed the environment by our very presence and the natural predators of some creatures have been killed or driven off by us allowing their traditional prey to reproduce wildly.  If we don't balance things out, there will be disease and starvation.  This in turn will affect us when the farmers fields are stripped bare by hungry deer or whatever.  It is a complicated world we live in.

[Micanopy]

When "The Lion King" came out on DVD a niece of mine would sit in our house and watch the thing every day she came over. My wife was not amused when I tried to insist that, for every third viewing, the kid be required to sit through "The Ghost And The Darkness" as an antidote for Disney overload.

Funny how I'm categorized by some folks as a borderline tree-hugger or flaming liberal but to the honest-to-God tree-huggers and flaming liberals (and my now-ex-wife) I'm a full-fledged, knuckle-dragging, bloodthirsty psychotic. People are funny -- not in a very ha-ha sort of way, though....

My daughter loves The Ghost and the Darkness! Great movie.

[Micanopy]

What people seem to ignore is that we have a role to fill as predators, whether we like it or not.  We have changed the environment by our very presence and the natural predators of some creatures have been killed or driven off by us allowing their traditional prey to reproduce wildly.  If we don't balance things out, there will be disease and starvation.  This in turn will affect us when the farmers fields are stripped bare by hungry deer or whatever.  It is a complicated world we live in.

True, but from my way of being taught, no animal in the schyme of things is more important or higher up than the other. And when we start issuing human charactoristics we elevate them to the human level, which they are not. Nobel, magestic, and royal are human traights.