Hello all! I'm new to this site and new to ML firearms as well. I am looking for a descent percussion long rifle in .45-.50 cal. with a full stock and I've read a lot of reviews of the production guns that I don't like.
I really want a full stock long rifle, but I want it to last me, not brake or have the stock crack in a short time. I really would like some input on one to get. I'm a traditional archer and will be selling one of my bows to get the money to buy a long rifle. I'm wanting one in the $500-$600 range.
Can you please help me find one that won't be a problem?
Thanks very much in advance!
Del
Try dixie gun works! they have a big selection. they have a jaeger (iv'e fired the flintlock version they sell) and its real nice!
http://dixiegunworks.com/
check out the lyman great plains, you can get it in kit or finished form. they are a long hefty rifle that balance real nice. several fellars here have them and love them. i have one in 54 that is sweet.
i have a lyman gpr! and i love it! heres mine.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm116/keoni121/GPR%20build/gpr002-1-1.jpg)
Del
I like the Lyman Great plains rifles in fact I have two of them.
You said that you would like a full stock. Here is a site that sells full stock semi custom rifles and smooth bores. They are some what more in cost than you said you wanted to spend at this time, but in my opinion well worth the difference.
Here is the site address
http://www.avsia.com/tvm/ (http://www.avsia.com/tvm/)
heres another great sorce to get a full stock
http://members.cox.net/tvmstore/store.htm
Thanks all!
Wow, I can't believe the prices of some of these. I have to say that the TVM rifles are REALLY nice looking and are exactly what I want, however, I'll have to save for another year besides selling my bow to get one with all the accessories I'll need. I may have to get one of the $150 inline ones if I want to hunt ML season this year. I won't spend a lot on a gun I don't plan to keep for ever. I'm a hunter and for me it's all about the meat. We just bought a new freezer and it's up to me to fill it. My weapons though are my pride and joy, and I consider them an investment for my wife and kids when I'm gone. I use a Charles Daly 1892 Winchester replica .45 colt for rifle season, a J.D. Berry Viper longbow (when it comes in) for archery season and my Viper and 20 ga. side by side for upland birds and turkey. All I'm lacking is a good ML so I can hunt ML deer season. If anyone knows of someone who is looking to trade a good full stock ML in .45-.50 cal for a longbow, I have a 2007 J.D. Berry Appollo for trade. It's a $910 longbow with yew core, 66" draws 56#@30". I don't plan on trading though till I get my Viper in. Then I'll put it in the classifieds for trade, "if" I still have it...hint hint...lol
Thanks again all!
Del
you could always get a percussion gpr, i know they arent a "fullstock" but, you can get the kits for about $300 or so, and they are easy to assemble. they come in .50 and .54 cal. and are tack drivers out to about 150 yards! once you own one you will love it. i own other rifles all full stock, im a gun builder and i specialize in building isaac haines lancasters, but thats out of your price range. my point is, my gpr gets more shooting time than any other front stuffer i own!
Thanks Crow, I may have to do that and just sell it later when I have enough for what I want.
Thanks again.
Del
i'll tell you right now the only thing wrong with that theory, its a great gun! you will fall in love with it! and when the time comes, hell these front stuffers are like peanuts, you cant stop at one! i fyou ask the people here and on my forum about there gpr's, they all love them and have other half and full stock rifles, but the gpr always finds its way into thier harts.
oh yeah, i forgot. if you do get a kit dont hesitate to ask for help getting it finished! i know for a fact there are a few people here besides my self that would be happy to help walk you through the build. they go to gether real easy, and make a great first build!
Just a few questions. Where would you recommend getting a kit? Will I need any special tools that I may not have already? Are the fixed rear sights as good as the adjustable? I just went through the "Your favorite gun" thread. MAN I had to go get a bib...drool drool...lol
I deffinately understand what you mean by them being like peanuts. I found out the same thing with traditional bows. That's why I'm BROKE!...lol
Thanks!
Del
Quote from: DelSnavely on March 20, 2009
Just a few questions. Where would you recommend getting a kit? Will I need any special tools that I may not have already? Are the fixed rear sights as good as the adjustable? I just went through the "Your favorite gun" thread. MAN I had to go get a bib...drool drool...lol
I deffinately understand what you mean by them being like peanuts. I found out the same thing with traditional bows. That's why I'm BROKE!...lol
Thanks!
Del
i would recommend getting the kit! its easy to build, and you will know the gun when you are finished. you wont need any special tools, and this is the best part, you will have the saticfaction of having built the gun yourself! it will be a one of a kind. a reflection of what you think it should look like.
oh yeah, mine has the fixed rear site, and i like it, takes a bit to learn the "Kentucky windage" but when you do! last sunday i was hitting a 6" in dia. steel plate at 125 yards
Quote from: DelSnavely on March 19, 2009
Thanks all!
Wow, I can't believe the prices of some of these. I have to say that the TVM rifles are REALLY nice looking and are exactly what I want, however, I'll have to save for another year besides selling my bow to get one with all the accessories I'll need. I may have to get one of the $150 inline ones if I want to hunt ML season this year. I won't spend a lot on a gun I don't plan to keep for ever. I'm a hunter and for me it's all about the meat. We just bought a new freezer and it's up to me to fill it. My weapons though are my pride and joy, and I consider them an investment for my wife and kids when I'm gone. I use a Charles Daly 1892 Winchester replica .45 colt for rifle season, a J.D. Berry Viper longbow (when it comes in) for archery season and my Viper and 20 ga. side by side for upland birds and turkey. All I'm lacking is a good ML so I can hunt ML deer season. If anyone knows of someone who is looking to trade a good full stock ML in .45-.50 cal for a longbow, I have a 2007 J.D. Berry Appollo for trade. It's a $910 longbow with yew core, 66" draws 56#@30". I don't plan on trading though till I get my Viper in. Then I'll put it in the classifieds for trade, "if" I still have it...hint hint...lol
Thanks again all!
Del
INLINE!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Man, dont go over to the dark side!!!!!!!!!!! If I may suggest something here, start cruising the pawn shops and other traditional ML sites, theres nothing wrong with a gently , pre shot rifle, you'll find that in most cases in alot of pawn shops there will be some TC's and CVA's hanging in there that guys bought on a whim, shot a few times and then they were put in the back corner and forgot about till times got tough and they needed some cash flow(LIKE NOW!), nothing wrong with a pre shot ML, heck half of them Ive seen in pawn shops lately are just barley broke in, takes a couple hundred shots on a new barrel to get them to settle down and shooting same hole shots from the bench, take a drop in bore lite with you and check em out, no pits or major rust in the bore, then check the lock spring to see if its good and strong and makes a crisp snap when you cock it, other than that, looks can be fixed, no sir, nothing wrong with a pre owned front stuffer, just wish i had the bank to start picking these up for more shining times to resell again! and dont forget to dicker with the guy behind the counter, take cash! cash talks, alot of the shop owners will come down a bit if they can pocket the cash and not have to run it through the books, hope this helps, Jim
Thanks a bunch Crow. I'll look into getting one once my new bow gets here and I sell my Appollo longbow. I can't wait to get this all figured out and done. I'm gonna do my best to fill that freezer. ;D
LOL, Leather...I will check the pawn shops, and I "promise" I won't go inline... :D
Quote from: DelSnavely on March 20, 2009
Thanks a bunch Crow. I'll look into getting one once my new bow gets here and I sell my Appollo longbow. I can't wait to get this all figured out and done. I'm gonna do my best to fill that freezer. ;D
LOL, Leather...I will check the pawn shops, and I "promise" I won't go inline... :D
Be sure to check out the link section of the board so you can find exactly the type rifle you want and get the best price. The Lyman kits are very well made and are at least 95% complete so they are a good choice for a newbie, plus all the work you do towards finishing it allow you to add that personal touch. After that you can always trade up so to speak, but they a very good quality and will serve you a lifetime. Track of the Wolf, The Possibles Shop, Midsouth, Dixie Gun Works and the Log Cabin Shop would all be good places to look for a completed rifle.
You should also look into the gunshops that allow you to customize and get the features that you want while still allowing you to do some of the finish work should you choose to do so.
Here's an example; http://www.longrifles-pr.com/stockscomponents.shtml
Here a list of links you might find helpful as well;
http://www.dacotahterritorymuzzleloaders.com/links.html
Wow William, now there are some choices! I'll need to learn a lot more before I understand what all of the choices are. I was reading some of the stuff on your link and got confused pretty fast...lol I may call them and ask some questions tomorrow.
Why don't I ever look before stepping into the rabbit hole...lol The more I see, the more I want. The more I want, the more I see...lol
Thanks man!
Del
Quote from: DelSnavely on March 20, 2009
Wow William, now there are some choices! I'll need to learn a lot more before I understand what all of the choices are. I was reading some of the stuff on your link and got confused pretty fast...lol I may call them and ask some questions tomorrow.
It's good that you are willing to ask questions, you'll be an informed customer and have a firm idea of what you do and don't want.
Why don't I ever look before stepping into the rabbit hole...lol The more I see, the more I want. The more I want, the more I see...lol
It is addicting, and I have to rein myself in sometimes as well, having to remember that as cool as they may be I can't eat them. hdslp
Thanks man!
Del
You are welcome, take your time and enjoy yourself, and of course, post your results.
Well my trade fell through. The guy wanted a longbow with 4-5 more #, so I put it in the classifieds here.
Del
Quote from: DelSnavely on March 21, 2009
Well my trade fell through. The guy wanted a longbow with 4-5 more #, so I put it in the classifieds here.
Del
That's too bad. Hope you get another deal going.
Del Snavely, you might keep and eye out for guns shows in your area.
All good advice. And do check your local pawn shops, ya just never know what you will find. Kit guns, especially the Lymans, are a great way to go. You can semi customize it as far as finish and you will allways have the pride of having assembled it yourself.
I found a Lyman GPR flinter for a good price. The guy said he will hold it for a little while. Now all I have to do is sell my longbow.
Thanks all!
Del
I have a Pedersoli Frontier from Cabelas .45cal, and a .50cal. both Flinters.
They were cheap and I have shot many a squirrel and a deer with the .45
Don't think I will go back to percussion.
Flint is way too much fun..
Find something and go for it.
Well I sold the bow and the guy is puttin' a MO in the mail today. Should have my Lyman GPH in a couple weeks or so.
I also had a friend bring me an 1850 LLipietta .36 revolver this weekend. This pistol has a history between my friends and I. I traded a trolling motor for it a long time ago. Then traded it to this friend for a sterio for my daughter. Now he gave it back to me for part of a trade. It came almost full circle...lol Ya never know, I may trade it again. I'm just no good with pistols. Couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside...lol
I sure can't wait to get my flinter!
OH, and crow, you sure had it right, these things are addicting. I ain't even got one yet and I want another... hdslp
Now all I need is a .36 fer rabbits and a fowler. Ya like THAT'S all I'll want... ROFL
lol,,,,,,,,just a heads up, but i hunt grey squirrels, and rabbits with a .50cal you just need to be a good shot!
Quote from: crow killer on March 30, 2009
lol,,,,,,,,just a heads up, but i hunt grey squirrels, and rabbits with a .50cal you just need to be a good shot!
Yep. Most of the meat is in the legs anyway. So either a head shot or smack through the middle from the side (then pick up the two ends). :-&
I used to shoot rabbit with my .54 -- used a really light powder charge (about 30 grains). Made a big hole but not much damage otherwise.
del im selling a beautiful fowler on if your wanting one dntn
Quote from: 2506 on March 31, 2009
del im selling a beautiful fowler on if your wanting one dntn
Dude I'm broke. Is ya tryin' ta make me cry?... :(
Quote from: DelSnavely on March 31, 2009
Quote from: 2506 on March 31, 2009
del im selling a beautiful fowler on if your wanting one dntn
Dude I'm broke. Is ya tryin' ta make me cry?... :(
lol,,,,,,,,,wait a day or so,,,,, i'll show you something that will make you cry
But I don wants tacry...lol
i can send you some now ifn you want to test those tear ducts. just to make sure theyre in good working order devel thmbsup
i have a new gun in the mail! for my birthday! y'all are gonna cry!
Quote from: crow killer on March 31, 2009
i have a new gun in the mail! for my birthday! y'all are gonna cry!
What kind?
an Ithaca Hawkens
Quote from: crow killer on March 31, 2009
an Ithaca Hawkens
Be sure to let us see what she looks like! dntn
That's quite a birthday present...congrats. thmbsup
here are a couple of pics of the birthday present "ithaca hawkens" a true replica of kit carsons gun!
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm116/keoni121/Ithaca/ithaca003.jpg)
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm116/keoni121/Ithaca/ithaca007.jpg)
5 time national flintlock champion "ben" also known as kentuckian giving it a 2 thumbs up!
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm116/keoni121/Ithaca/ithaca011.jpg)
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm116/keoni121/Ithaca/ithaca010.jpg)
She's a beauty. thmbsup
Dern buddy, she sher is perdy, but I bet ya has trouble gittn dem rocks in dat lil hole... ROFL ROFL
Quote from: DelSnavely on March 20, 2009
Thanks a bunch Crow. I'll look into getting one once my new bow gets here and I sell my Appollo longbow. I can't wait to get this all figured out and done. I'm gonna do my best to fill that freezer. ;D
LOL, Leather...I will check the pawn shops, and I "promise" I won't go inline... :D
If you go over to the "dark side" several of us might have to come to ND and "eddy kate" Ya. Wouldn't want to have to do that. Another place to look is the ad forums here and on some of the Black Powder sites. I see good ml rifles for sale very frequently. Muzzleloading rifles can be mailed, they're not "firearms".
Three Hawks
Quote from: Three Hawks on April 08, 2009
Quote from: DelSnavely on March 20, 2009
Thanks a bunch Crow. I'll look into getting one once my new bow gets here and I sell my Appollo longbow. I can't wait to get this all figured out and done. I'm gonna do my best to fill that freezer. ;D
LOL, Leather...I will check the pawn shops, and I "promise" I won't go inline... :D
If you go over to the "dark side" several of us might have to come to ND and "eddy kate" Ya. Wouldn't want to have to do that. Another place to look is the ad forums here and on some of the Black Powder sites. I see good ml rifles for sale very frequently. Muzzleloading rifles can be mailed, they're not "firearms".
Three Hawks
Thanks fer carin'! Ain't many folks would whup some sense inta a feller ta "eddy kate" im.... ROFL ROFL ROFL
Awready sold ma bow an got a Lyman .50 GPH flinter a comin'... thmbsup
got a Lyman .50 GPH flinter a comin'
Excellent!
Del
As always on this forum when a member gets a new firearm or plunder
WE NEED (http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u247/jbullard1954/Gifs/pictures.png)
Ya kin bet ya be gitt'n pics.. thmbsup
Could even be here taday... dntn dntn dntn
Can't wait ta... hntr
Quote from: DelSnavely on April 10, 2009
Ya kin bet ya be gitt'n pics.. thmbsup
Could even be here taday... dntn dntn dntn
Can't wait ta... hntr
Still waiting on those pictures.... devel