witch is the most accurate,black powder or pyrodex?i have always shot pyrodex because of it availability .haven't shot black in a rifle.
black , with out a doubt ! also easier to clean up ! fouling dont seem quite as nasty !
Does it burn faster than perodex?
I tried Pyrodex early on and never was pleased with the results. I never could get it to shoot as tight a group as BP. It also had more misfires. The other problem with it is that it is horrible in a flinter. I went to mostly flinters a little later and just never messed with it after that.
pyrodex is awful. If you go to black you will more than likely have to sight in again.The POI will be different. Experience talkin'
Have had decent results with Pyrodex in my cap locks but flints don't like it at all. Don't care, prefer Black powder. Will use Pyrodex if Black is not available.
Always used black, myself. Tried Pyrodex in cartridges once as an experiment; won't do it again. I've always considered black to be an "accuracy powder". I've owned revolvers-.38 - .45-that I could not get to shoot well with any smokeless I tried. Tried black on a whim and "presto"! Tight groups at last-along with thunder and smoke. I have one .357mag that demands black for accuracy. I always keep a supply of .38spl, .357mag & .45 Colt loaded with black, on hand.
pros of blk powder: ignites fast and easily, cleans up easily
pros of pyrodex over black: there aint none!
reason that pyro doesn't work good in flinters is that the flash point is around 600 degrees, where black its only around 300-350. I also read somewhere that pyro came about because hollyweird wanted a safer alternative to black for stunt explosions. Hollywood Flash Powder! ROFL
Thanks fellers ,i'm edumacated now.I'm getting some black. hntr
Quote from: BO CRETY on January 13, 2010, 01:05:24 AM
Thanks fellers ,i'm edumacated now.I'm getting some black. hntr
Which brand? Which granulation? Whatchyer load going to be? answers, answers, answers! srndr
.50 90 grains FFG GOEX .490 hornady RB .10 patch
.45 80 grains FFG GOEX .440 hornady RB .10 patch
.32 40 grains FFG GOEX .310 hornady RB .15 patch
Note that GOEX is involved with all 3 loads. Could be a pattern.....................
Whateer yer rifle likes.... I use Goex 3F in all my rifles and 4F in the pistols and for my primer pan if the weather is damp otherwise I prime with 3F
I have a 50 cal. T/C Hawken,can I shoot 3f Black powder in it?
Sure ya can. Drop the charge back 10% from FFg to start with.
You can have the rest of my black powder. Leaves the barrel pretty filthy after each shot. it's a must to clean after every shot. As far as accuracy....... that's 100 yrds with 90gr. Pyrodex and 325 maxi ball out of 1:66 Hawken percussion with blade sights and 56 year old eyes. I'm happy with it.
I am only going to be shooting patched round balls.Im going to try that 3f when i get my next weekend.I would sho like to draw down on a big fat nanny deer. hntr
Quote from: Elkinde on January 16, 2010, 12:32:37 PM
You can have the rest of my black powder. Leaves the barrel pretty filthy after each shot. it's a must to clean after every shot. As far as accuracy....... that's 100 yrds with 90gr. Pyrodex and 325 maxi ball out of 1:66 Hawken percussion with blade sights and 56 year old eyes. I'm happy with it.
Your patch/lube combo may be the problem with black. I use .015-.018 pillow ticking and Hoppes #9 Plus Black powder lube and never have to wipe the bore during an entire afternoon at the range. With that combo each load cleans out the previous fouling so that only the fouling of one shot is ever in the bore. I have a friend who uses spit patch with the same results. DGW "Black Solve" is great, as well.
What did the old timers use before the came out with all this fancy worded stuff?
spit, animal based grease/lard... anything they could find that worked... and was handy... ROFL
I think i will try spit,i gots plenty of it and it easy to carry. ;D
Step 1. Place cleaning patch in spitty mouth.
Step 2. Remove spitty patch from mouth and place over muzzle.
Step 3. Take jag attatched to ram rod and run spitty patch down bore.
Step 4. Pull ram rod with spitty fouled patch out of bore.
Step 5. Run clean dry patch down bore.
Step 6. Remove dry patch, no a little moist from cleaning out spitty fouling, from bore.
Step 7. Load, prime, fire. Repeat.
My pedersoli likes a spitty patch after the thired shot. All my CVA's and Traditions dont need it till we are done for the day.
Quote from: BO CRETY on January 16, 2010, 06:50:24 PM
What did the old timers use before the came out with all this fancy worded stuff?
We don't have to worry (really) what the old timers used; they used the most cutting edge materials available to them. They didn't have vaccines, antibiotics, etc, but we do and we use them. I use only the best lubes, oils, patches available on my guns. We are the "old timers" of 2110!
Quote from: hanshi on January 17, 2010, 05:44:54 AM
Quote from: BO CRETY on January 16, 2010, 06:50:24 PM
What did the old timers use before the came out with all this fancy worded stuff?
We don't have to worry (really) what the old timers used; they used the most cutting edge materials available to them. They didn't have vaccines, antibiotics, etc, but we do and we use them. I use only the best lubes, oils, patches available on my guns. We are the "old timers" of 2110!
this be true ! thmbsup
My two cents worth from a cartridge shooters experience. Shot Pyrodex for a couple of years at silhouette. Found out very quickly that is was dirty and fouled very hard in my rifle. If a lubed or moist patch was pushed through the barrel after each shot then it was fairly accurate. Tried some Goex black powder and the number of hits went up and patching after each shot was not necessary, only used a blow tube to get a little moisture in the fouling. Not sure how much of this will transfer over to muzzle loading but the short version is that I really like black powder better than the replica powders.
Will stick with real BP only. Had bad luck with the fakes and wont bother with it again.
Voy
Once you try black, you'll never go back...... (susp)
Tried them all an I will not touch nothin but good ole black [conf]
another thing ! I have a friend who is a dealer , been in the business of buying and selling bp guns for dang near as long as I`ve been around . he`ll ask what you`ve been using in your weapon , and if you say a bp substitute he`ll offer a less for it , even less if you say pyrodex ! says you can look down the bore and tell if someones been using pyrodex , says it damages the bore ! just something to think aboout !