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nice, but how period is this chair. we just started a small group and the leader says sit on the ground no chairs. I am 52 and like a little comfort around the fire. Help.
At a mountain man camp there would likely be no chairs, same at a rondy. Trader with a permanent structure would have them. None would have been made out of 2 x 12's...
Sit on the ground, hdslp cool if your 20, how old is your leader.Since were all getting a little long in the tooth, if anyone asks, say your relative from the far far future sent you one back in time. Usually as long as its not a lawn chair, I have NEVER had anyone complain about my chair. And if they do ask them" Would you like to buy me all my supplies". Every event I've ever been to people have chairs. Just try to make'em outta proper stuff. Like Wood. I have made several of these plank chairs and sold many and they are pretty well accepted. Nobody needs to get hurt trying to please the so called "Period" correct thread counters. Important thing have fun. chrrs
On another note, I really love my chair, chrrs I've fallen out of it many times and it's always waiting for me to climb back on. ;D
I was not trying to say he should not use one, nearly everyone uses some type of wooden chair, including me. I was speaking to the question of whether it was PC.
thanks for the response, I will try and get one that at least looks like a period chair. I like to do everything as close as I can to the time period, about 1840 I guess.
I have a couple wooden chairs.They are made of pine.They are slatted wood on top and they breakdown into two pieces that fit together for easy storage. I'll look for a picture to post later.BrokenHawk do have that one still.Mine are buried in storage.If you can get to that one post a picture if you can..Here is a picture of the chairs at camp.One setup and one not opened up.(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff462/yeazellphoto/ponderosa%20rondy%202011/ponderosarendezvousmay26through312011012.jpg)
That is the style you will see very frequently around here. We have two but the slope on mine killed my back so found a trader that was selling them and after sitting in all 15 chairs he had I fell inlove with a hiback that has more lumbar support and less slope to get in and out of, red cedar. real purdy! They all look the same but be suprised the difference a few degrees in slope and depth of seat makes. I agree with all you guys - who wants to go to a rondy and sit the whole time on ground just cause you can't get up and besides it has been known to rain once in a while and my old bones and friend Arthur would really pitch a b---h! Just my 2 cents worth.
I hear you about "arthur" Bulldog Lady!! After 7 knee,2 neck fusions,shoulder and wrist operations and a bad back,Me no like the ground much.Easy to get down and forever to get back up.No thanks.....
thanks everyone, Crazell I like the look of your chairs. does anybody stain them or how are they finished.
I have absolutely no evidence to back this up. But I seem to remember being told that the curved back, slatted chairs (minus the fancy cut out topper) were based on components from a pack saddle. Anyone else ever run across this info?
Found this link
www.scouters.us/homecha.html (http://www.scouters.us/homecha.html)
chris
Quote from: texasranger on March 08, 2012
thanks everyone, Crazell I like the look of your chairs. does anybody stain them or how are they finished.
I left mine as plain as they came.Most of the people in Oregon where i was at,left natural wood.So that would be up to the individual..
As far as PC goes rock stump or ground with pack or ridding saddle for back rest, or bundle of furs, depending on time and location you would not have had a tent either. all you may have had would be blanket and may be a piece of oil cloth trowed of a rope or bush lento.
Ask Mr. PC if he is willing to put this in the next flier and see how many show up.
c wiseman you are absolutely right, the first ones of that nature were from the paniers (sp.) on pack animals of the time.
the military officers of the time often carried along chairs and tables. of course they had wagons. but 1 chair on a pack mule is no problem.if you had a tent you usually had a pack mule or horse; unless it was a diamond or such. if you want to have a chair. just state that you got it off of a soldier at a fort. if your leader doesn't agree and has a large tent ask him how he got it in using pc methods. hope this helps
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I have absolutely no evidence to back this up. But I seem to remember being told that the curved back, slatted chairs (minus the fancy cut out topper) were based on components from a pack saddle. Anyone else ever run across this info?
Found this link
www.scouters.us/homecha.html (http://www.scouters.us/homecha.html)
chris
Nope, they are first documented to Boy Scout Camporees in the 1930s. The plans are in the old BSA handbook.
PC is NOT no chairs. About the last place a mountain man would have sat was on the bare ground. About the first thing he would have built for his wintering in camp would have been something to sit on.
The most PC insisting folks do not study their history real well most of the time. They seem to forget that most folk traveled by wagon or boat and they took a lot of stuff with them. Even the longhunters came over the mountains with pack strings of up to 200 horses. the number of folks that WALKED into the wilderness with only what they could carry on their backs could probably be counted on one hand. Everyone brought gear with them, sometimes lots of it.
Even the most crude of camps would have had boxes from the pack horses and saddles from the riding stock to sit on. I do not know a single old timer of my aquaintance that would prefer the ground over the comfort of a good log beside the campfire.
Many of the sketches of military camps show the use of straightback chairs and full table sets. General Braddocks wagon train was over a mile long and much of it was camp gear.
You can bet that one of the things in the wagon when Mama came across the mountains was her good chairs. This past fall I finally found a set of antique hickory strip bottom straight back chairs for use in my camp at historc sites.
The small canvas seat folding chairs (like you get at Walmart for $10) date back to the pyrimids of Egypt and all eras between then and now. They have always been popular. the canvas seat directors chair dates back to the Napolianic wars. I believe there is one in the Washington collection.
Well folding chairs have been around forever, so as far as i'm concerned if its period correct then its good to go. Getting older, its either have a folding chair or stay home. I'm bringing a chair.
17th - early 19th century
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"Q How far back does this design go?
A This particular design is closely associated with the Ming Dynasty 1345- 1644. There is evidence that it pre-dates the Ming Dynasty and it certainly exceeds it. " The folding armchair, which appeared with the advent of the chair-level mode of living in the Song dynasty, evolved from the ancient folding stool that had been used in China since the second century. By the Ming dynasty it was so common that it is the only chair to appear in the 1436 illustrated children's primer Newly Compiled Illustrated Four-Word Glossary (Xinbian duixiang siyan), where it is listed under its modern name, jiaoyi ("folding chair")." "In China once a form was created it continued to exist as a viable artistic possibility for later imitation and development. So while the classical furniture style had its main origins in the Song dynasty (960-1279)1 it did not reach its apogee until the late Ming and early Qing dynasties (c. 1550-1735)"
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Quote from: BrokenHawk on March 08, 2012
Sit on the ground, hdslp cool if your 20, how old is your leader.Since were all getting a little long in the tooth, if anyone asks, say your relative from the far far future sent you one back in time. Usually as long as its not a lawn chair, I have NEVER had anyone complain about my chair. And if they do ask them" Would you like to buy me all my supplies". Every event I've ever been to people have chairs. Just try to make'em outta proper stuff. Like Wood. I have made several of these plank chairs and sold many and they are pretty well accepted. Nobody needs to get hurt trying to please the so called "Period" correct thread counters. Important thing have fun. chrrs
Howdy BrokenHawk. I have a few years on my Segundo and still not too old to sit on a pile of blankets, a stump ... or a buffler robe if I can get one. We've done CW and cowboy for more than 20 years (more like 30 for me) and have little use for farbs, so I'm just trying to manage the slippery slope as best I can.