this past week an 19 year old singer song writer,taylor mitchell , from canada was killed by coyotes while hiking ! these critters are everywhere , they`ve even been seen in central park . when you are hiking carry at least a good stout walking stick ,and always keep an eye on the kids ! if this young lady had a moses stick she might still be alive !
Scary and tragic to say the least. They were all over the place back in Georgia but as yet have seen none here in Va. They are here in good numbers, though.
Quote from: beowulf on November 01, 2009
this past week an 19 year old singer song writer,taylor mitchell , from canada was killed by coyotes while hiking ! these critters are everywhere , they`ve even been seen in central park . when you are hiking carry at least a good stout walking stick ,and always keep an eye on the kids ! if this young lady had a moses stick she might still be alive !
What a waste...and that seems pretty bold for coyotes to do that to a person...wonder if they were really wolves and got reported wrong.
I haven't thought about that sort of thing happening to me in the woods but I always carry something...either the muzzleloader I'm hunting with...or in case of a rabid fox, etc...a 4" S&W .45 Long Colt with alternating chambers of CCI birdshot cartridges and 230grn JHP's
Funny you should say that Hansi.
When I lived in Drayden, Md.(38 deg. 09' 19.02" N 76 deg. 29' 34.38" W elev. 14') I caretakered a farm (189 acr.). As it was isolated (cable wouldn't come out that far, stopped 3.5 miles from me), and stray dogs were sometimes a problem.
Saw a pair one day in March of '95. Used an *&^$#$% in .223 cal. Missed slap. Went to see the paw prints as there was 'something not quite right' about them. Had read in some hunting mag. a month or few earlier that the way to tell the diff. between dog prints and cyot. prints was on one the claws aimed out (\). and the other aimed in (/). These aimed the cyot. direction. so i covered 'em wiff coffee cans after I took some photos with a yard stick as a scale.
Called DNR and the biologist came down 2 days later. made some castings of them an told me he'd get back to me, yea or ney.
Week later I was informed that I had the first 'confermed siting of coyt. in Southern Md. Told me they must have crossed over from the Northern Neck of Virginia when the Potomac had frozed over earlier that winter. They are in ALL of the Lower 48.
If the foxes that you are use to seeing are gone chances are that a cyot. may have eaten it and taken over it's den.
hankaye
Yotes are everywhere now a days. Heck we even got yotes and deer running around in the city of Detroit. Only problem is you'd get in more trouble shooting them than people. After all, Detroit is known as Murder City.
I live in the central part of NC about 3/4 mile back in the woods. This happened to me year before last the first morning morning of muzzleloader season. I left my cabin walking down an old logging road to my deer stand. About 100 yards out my flashlight gave out. Not to worry I am going down an old road and there are enough moonlight to see. About another 100 yards down the road a coyote yelped to my left then a few more steps one yelps behind me then the next time it is to the left of me. It was either one circling me or several around me yelping. Either way it was kind of unnerving! They followed me all the way to my stand. In my stand I could hear 1or2 walking around me about 50 yards out. When it got daylight I never saw anything. The next day I killed one from that stand. It was unnerving going from being the hunter to the hunted. You can bet my flashlight works when I go out also.
Nother instance;
Was on my way back to Columbus, Oh. where my terminal was. Jumped offa US 33 South
(Iknow in Oh. it's East), onto 270 South. There just on the right was a coyt. tryin ta go INTO the city fer dinner! hdslp
Thet was back 'bout '02.
If my information is correct there has never been a confermed case of
healthy wolves or coyotes attaching a person. It sounds more like stray dog
to me.
If it confermed that the tracks or coyotes then I would say they should
confirm the cause of death, is from coyotes and not human.
When I lived in Wa. state as a pup in early '60's there were feral dog pack problems . They were known to attack livestock and humans , had very little fear of humans ! This was in a pretty wild and thinly populated area 26 miles north of Tacoma.
Hard to find a Rabbit around home any more.
Any thing that nested on the ground is being eaten by the Coyotes
the coyotes were not only seen by another person who ran them of , but one of the pair that attacked her was killed ! month or two back a small child was dragged of by coyotes , cant remember which state it was in but do remember seeing it in the paper ! I dont worry about wolves ,they generally avoid humans , but the coyote is getting a little bit to used to us !
Up-and-coming folk musician Taylor Mitchell, 19, died Wednesday from injuries she suffered during a coyote attack while hiking alone in a national park in eastern Canada.
Mitchell, a singer-songwriter, was touring the Eastern Coast to promote her new album when the horrible incident occurred, according to The Associated Press.
The young musician was hiking solo on a trail in Cape Breton Highlands National Park in Nova Scotia on Tuesday, when two coyotes confronted her and attacked.
She was evacuated by airlift to a Halifax hospital in critical condition. According to authorities, Mitchell died from her injuries Wednesday morning.
Wildlife biologist Bob Bancroft told The Associated Press that coyotes, also known as prairie wolves, rarely attack humans because they are naturally shy animals.
Bancroft, who is also a retired biologist with Nova Scotia's Department of Natural Resources, told the news source it was possible the coyotes mistook Mitchell for a deer or some other prey.
"It's very unusual and is not likely to be repeated," Bancroft told The Associated Press. "We shouldn't assume that coyotes are suddenly going to become the big bad wolf."
Brigdit Leger, spokeswoman for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, told the news source that emergency dispatchers were called to the scene Tuesday morning after hikers along the trail heard Mitchell scream out for help.
When police arrived at the scene, they shot one of the attacking animals, wounding it, but both coyotes managed to get away.
Paul Maynard of Emergency Health Services told The Associated Press that Micthell was in critical condition when paramedics arrived, and that her body was covered in bite wounds.
"She was losing a considerable amount of blood from the wounds," he said.
Officials blocked the entrance to the trail following the attack and searched for the hostile coyotes.
"There's been some reports of aggressive animals, so it's not unknown," Helene Robichaud, the park's superintendent, told The Associated Press. "But we certainly never have had anything so dramatic and tragic."
a coyote grabbed a 2 year old girl off her front porch about a year ago. This was in the foothills outside san fransisco.
Looks like we need to do some hunting I think ill dust off the AK47 and load up some mags and spend the night coyote Hunting and maybe Ill see bigfoot Ill give him a hug for all of you.
wait a minute... AK-47? isn't this a muzzleloader forum?.. So then thats a muzzleloading AK,right? LOL!! :D
tell bigfoot I said HI !
Last year in Big Bend Ranch I found Cougar tracks following a mountain biker. In Big Bend Park and State Park the cougar is protected and can not be harmed. I believe as we declare more predators protected and they lose their fear of man we will see man become the prey more and more. If a cougar every knocks a mountain biker off his bike and finds out that bikers are easier to kill than mule deer or bighorn sheep we will have real problems. Same thing where wolves or coyotes no longer can be hunted. They are losing their fear of man and that is not a good thing. JMHO
There have been several cougar kills here in my local area...hikers, mountan bikers and fishermen. I have had to face several cougars in the past. No coyotes yet. I never leave my home unarmed nowadays.
DB
Few years back while sittin on a deer trail waitin to ambush a buck a coyote was puttin the sneak on my backside . I heard a rustle of slickleaf behind me and I thought a deer was tryin to slip by. I turned slowly around to get snarled at by a coyote who then boogied just to sneak back a dew minutes later. This went on for about half an hour before it gave up !
Over the past several I travel down to E.Texas and hunt on family property. The coyotes are always yelping just at sundown! My cousin has property that connects to ours and runs cattle on several acres. On afternoon he was coming home from work and happen to look out in one of his pastures and saw two coyotes after a cow who was giving birth to a calf!
The rest of the herd was heading towards the coyotes with the herd bull ,my cousin was able to get to his 30-30 and the coyotes spotted him and started to run for the edge of the woods! They stopped, a fatal mistake for one of the coyotes as my cousin dropped him drt!The other coyote ran off never to be seen again.
The worst thing about coyotes is when they on rare occassions breed with a large domestic or feral dog and produce coydogs. These can be mean a cunning predators both for livestock,wildlife, and even humans. We have shot some of these on the property with blotches of yellow and black coloring mixed in with the regular grayish brown color of the coyote. hntr hntr
i didn't know coyotes and dogs would breed.
Quote from: redwoodfox on November 06, 2009
i didn't know coyotes and dogs would breed.
Coyotes and feral dogs cross more often than most people think. I have raised such a hybrid and it was very smart. Here are a few pictures of coydogs for you to study.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/02-17-08_0849.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/Coywolf1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/DSC02080.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/coydog1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/coydog2.jpg)
Excellent pics, Ed! I haven't seen photos of the coydogs before, just heard about 'em. Thanks for showing them to us.
Troy
There are thousands of yotes in Indiana, never heard of any one being physically hurt by one ,but have heard many stories of them being aggressive towards humans. My younger brother had one try to charge him while chasing a fawn several years ago, but he died from lead poisining, hntr and the young deer lived another day!!!
The way to handle the coyotes and other predators that don't fear Man any more?
Hunt them! That will put the fear right back in them. (The Smart ones)
Lead poisoning for The dumb ones! (They will be dead.)
Problem Solved!
Great pic's Ed.
How do their footy prinys look? Like a dog or a Coyote?
Jest askin...
man! thoses things look cool. bigger than a normal coyote?
Watunga-
That's the best control of any varmint. We have a problem with feral cats and the yotes acute lead will cure many predator problems. Ifn ya don't wantem on yo land a bit o lead will take care o da dum uns. The others will find a easier way ta make da livin.
Chuckwagon
Quote from: Wild Ed on November 06, 2009
Quote from: redwoodfox on November 06, 2009
i didn't know coyotes and dogs would breed.
Coyotes and feral dogs cross more often than most people think. I have raised such a hybrid and it was very smart. Here are a few pictures of coydogs for you to study.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/02-17-08_0849.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/Coywolf1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/DSC02080.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/coydog1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/coydog2.jpg)
Wild Ed ,
Those are some great photos!
Those canines can really become a problem once they pack up!
Excellent trappin!! How do ya do the bait set?
We have the half breeds runnin and lead don't scare um. We can keep shootin but them city folk just dont like it. Thanks for dumpin your dogs in the county! (Irresponible pet owners).The yotes are a big enough headache but when they start breadin with the strays we got evolution or would it be de/evolution? Them dogs is smart and nasty.
Thanks for the Pics.
Chuckwagon.
There is a book out if you can find it called "The New American Wolf" about the hybridization of the Eastern Coyote with Red Wolf, Dog and Grey Wolf. The result is a coyote that has different bloodlines, is a large canine and a more efficent hunter. Most of the Eastern states will have some of these animals. That is also why there are a bunch of black coyotes showing up around the country. The prints are normally more enlongated than a dog print. These animals were all trapped by members of the Trapperman forum. I have only killed one of these and also dug out a den that had 6 hybrid pups of which we raised one.
That explains why the pair I saw in Merryland were black.
Thanks Ed.
hankaye
Time to put a new scope on my varmint rifle and shoot song dogs this winter. hntr
Quote from: chuck w. on November 09, 2009
Time to put a new scope on my varmint rifle and shoot song dogs this winter. hntr
What! sacrilege use your bp first then grab the new fangled thing
I, too, shot a black one-beautiful-years ago in Ga. I'd think however that such crosses would be relatively rare. Wolves will kill coyotes on sight and so will very large dogs. Smaller dogs are supper for a coyote. The reason coyotes didn't exist in the east was because wolves dominated the landscape and made establishment difficult to impossible. With that being said, however, I did see two unusually large coyotes running across a field once while loading my flint pistol. Georgia is saturated with them and I saw them often, creeping around the woods or hunting mice in fields. I know they are demonized right and left but I'd hate to see them go. You got to respect their intelligence, cunning, toughness and adaptability.
I am with you on that.
Most All the Predator animals are Beautiful creations.
As is most things in nature.
But when things get of of balance and they start attacking humans we need to protect our territory to.
And the smart ones will thrive and the ones causing trouble will be gone.
We used to see Red Foxes around now that coyotes are in Indiana no more Red Fox.
Not a good trade to me.
Coydogs hybrids are occurring more and more around the country. As more dog and wolf genes are introduced into the coyote population the more willing they are to cross with other hybrids or dogs instead of just pure coyotes. Here are some more pictures for you to study. ET
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/Shasta.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/018.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/blackcoyote002.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/P1000015.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/301633_view.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/wilded/097.jpg)
Wild Ed,
The last picture of this series reminds me of similar types of coydogs that are seen on our property in E.Texas!
Got home in time to slip off to my favorite tree for deer. Just about right at dark I could hear something walking but couldn't find it. That is the second time that has happened at dark. This time I just sat motionless thinking it was a deer coming up on me. To my surprise it was an extremely big coyote or a wolf. It was coming to my right in a thicket. I waited for it to get out in an old logging road and I was going to make my move. I am right handed and can't shoot left handed. Wrong thing to do, it got about 5 yards from the logging road that I had walked into my stand got sent of me and hauled buggy. Man what an magnificent animal. It was huge. My Lab weighs about 80 pounds and I know it was alot bigger at least 100 pounds. I have to agree with Hanshi you have to admire their smarts. He will definite be a formable foe. I couldn't help but to think about this post as I walked out in the dark. You can bet I did look over my shoulder a time or two. You can bet where I'll watch the sun come up and go down tomorrow and I will have a flashlight.
Time to set a trap on the road. hntr
This is anecdotal no science behind it but the Yotes round here seem to be getting bigger and darker and smarter except when they take on the traffic :)
I have noticed that the road kill is not domestic dogs or normal Yotes. Yes I do stop for road kill to check for usable skins and yes I do have the license and the local law on speed dial just to be sure they don't mind some free clean up. Remember to use gloves some o da critters carry nasty things.
Just some observations
Chuckwagon.
Thought the same thing Wild Ed when I was walking out. Going to hit up my brother in-law tomorrow at Thanksgiving dinner for some traps. Can you give me some pointers of what would be the best setup. The trouble I have is it is not that far from my house. I have to be careful and not catch my dogs. I am thinking about trying to call it in sight. I might take a turkey call in the morning and give it a few squaws. The worst I could come up with would be to have to watch a turkey on Thanksgiving. You see NC doesn't have a fall season. I have called up several turkey hunting and killed a one young one year before last. I thought I might surprise it. We'll see what goes.
I would set a dirt hole set against a rock or log. Put some coyote or even dog urine on the rock and stick some sort of bird or chicken meat in the hole and put some dry grass on it. You might even spread a few feathers around it for attention. If you have lure and coyote urine just make a standard dirt hole set and lure it.
How far would the trap go back from the bait? A 1 1/2 coil spring trap be ok? Would it be better to set a second trap. He is big! Do you think I might need a No. 2?
I put the trap about the spread of my fingers back from the hole and about three fingers wide off set to the right. I would use 1.75 or bigger coil spring traps. A 1 1/2 is really a fox and coon trap and coyotes can tear them up and get away. If that is what you have use them but know that they are pretty light for a coyote. You may only have one chance at the dog and you are not running a trapline so I would have no problem setting two traps at a set and making several sets in the area. When I am after a specific problem coyote I will make several sets in an area. Stake and bed your traps solid and sift some peat moss over the trap. Then sift a little of the dirt you dug out of the trap bed over the traps so it looks as if nothing is there but the hole with the bait. ET
Here are some links for you. ET
http://www.trapperman.com/trapperman/dirthole_set.html
http://www.wild-about-trapping.com/tips/tips_012_dirt_hole_set.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEnu1-6K-Vc