I have bad enough lungs as is, so I'm looking for a tobacco substitute to use at the rendezvous....should appear to be the real stuff as to smoke and general appearance. Must be harmless to my poor old lungs. Any ideas?
DB
Bud , with bad lungs I think any type of smoke would be bad for breathin !!
I just keep hoping Frank.
Maybe gensing and don't inhale. I'd opt for chewin tabacer makes good patch lube dntn
Ever tried Ginseng?
Copenhagen Long Cut !! Stays put and dont wander ! Now , they do make an Herbal Chew with rosehips and natural stuff in it and even some black liquerish (sp) stuff too.
No never did find em when I quit smoking. I don't think dip is accurate I'd go with cumberland twist or some good ol fashion long green leaf
Don't need ta go the tabacee route, plenty of folk back then didn't partake, bs now I hain't got no 20teen books,journels,
nor typsheets ta prove it, strpot Fearless Leader
Pretty sure though hank?
Yep...jest got thet 'feelin'
With bad lungs, you don't need any smoke, not even camp fire. It'll just agravate any problems you already have. If you feel the need to partake of something, shread some jerky and put a pinch in you cheek. Tastes good and kills the urge.
Rick
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
jack links also makes a shredded jerky that comes in a plastic skoal type can, just a pinch in the cheek, or in the lip. and taste good.
does actually look like a dried tobacco.
Ian
tobacco is evil 1835
http://books.google.com/books?id=Gx0ZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA21&dq=tobacco+abstinence&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1800&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=1840&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=tobacco%20abstinence&f=false
tobacco stoppers wanted 1800
http://books.google.com/books?id=eFQPAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA11&dq=tobacco+abstinence&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1800&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=1840&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=tobacco%20abstinence&f=false
the ladies repository 1808
http://books.google.com/books?id=GMYaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA340&dq=tobacco+abstinence&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1800&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=1840&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=tobacco%20abstinence&f=false
The Missionary Herald 1833
http://books.google.com/books?id=t8APAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA165&dq=tobacco+abstinence&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1800&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=1840&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=tobacco%20abstinence&f=false
Here are just a few documented articles on abstinence from tobacco...the evil weed.
I myself enjoy tobacco in all it forms.
Nasal snuff is one of my favorites, and is period correct for the 18th and 19th century.
Oh sure, quite smoking because your lungs are damaged and go to chewin so you can rot out your lip. haha! I smoke so I can't say anything....
I know some Natives used to smoke dung....you could try that. dntn ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
Gee! Thanks Heather! I sure am glad I have you to watch over me...how bout if I chew jerky?
Dennis
Well, looks like it didn't take long for the Library ta get here...Thought we could keep it more 'relaxed' this time.
Dryball (Fearless Leader), ya appear ta be old enough ta make up yer own mind on wither or not you can afford
the excess damage. How it will affect you in the long run,all that crap. If ya want ta be a smoker at 'vous then do it.
They's yer lungs.
hank
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Well, looks like it didn't take long for the Library ta get here...Thought we could keep it more 'relaxed' this time.
Dryball (Fearless Leader), ya appear ta be old enough ta make up yer own mind on wither or not you can afford
the excess damage. How it will affect you in the long run,all that crap. If ya want ta be a smoker at 'vous then do it.
They's yer lungs.
hank
Your right hank...and I cant afford the damage. That's why I was looking for a no tobacco substitute. But they ain't all my lungs...I'm married and taking a chance with my health would not be treating my wife right. If it were just me...why...I'd still be racing motorcycles, mountain climbing, backcountry skiing, and other stupid things I used to do. So it looks like it's gonna be shredded jerky or something similar.
DB
Yer choise...
I use the shredded jerky when i am hunting... nothing like the smell of tobacco to run off game... I would suggest that...
Quote from: hankaye on October 27, 2009
Well, looks like it didn't take long for the Library ta get here...Thought we could keep it more 'relaxed' this time.
If research is unwanted let me know and I will not offer any more . Just thought I would save a guy the trouble of poisoning himself when it wasnt nesecery.
Russ,
Research is GOOD dntn, just some times alot isn't necessary hdslp, sometimes even resented fght. I for one don't take to someone tellin me how I have to do, act, or whatever fncg.
The opinions that you have are yours thmbsup. I, or someone else could read the same books, articles, journals whatever, and form different opinions. That's why there is a thing called discussion. Kind of a compression of dis (dissagree) and cuss-ion (cussin), so we can do both in a friendly manner chrrs.
This is a 'laid back' group and sometimes the heavy thud of several volumes of 'Hysterical Fact' scares the bejezzus outta some of the group.
Tread lightly, make more friends thata way chrrs chrrs
hankaye
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Quote from: hankaye on October 27, 2009
Well, looks like it didn't take long for the Library ta get here...Thought we could keep it more 'relaxed' this time.
If research is unwanted let me know and I will not offer any more . Just thought I would save a guy the trouble of poisoning himself when it wasnt nesecery.
Russ, I really appreciate your helping in this case....helped me a lot in making a decision.
Dennis
To All, as a smoker myself, I do not advocate the use of tobacco products in any way. I know how difficult it is to quit and understand the problems it can cause. This is why I recommended shredded jerky as an alternative. I use this often when hunting or shooting, it helps hold off the cravings (I prefer buffalo jerky). On the other side of the coin though, I have been known to make my own smoke for around camp. I use red Washington apple peels dried, Sage, Sweetgrass, Ginger Root and American Gensing. I chop it to about a fine pipe tobacco, mix thoroughly and soak it in Hennessy Cognac for about a month. I then run it through a dehydrator to remove most of the moisture, it should stay lit and smouldering on it's own but not flame when smoked. It is pleasantly aromatic and has a wonderful side effect when smoked in mixed company. Pack it tight in a clay pipe and enjoy.
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Quote from: hankaye on October 27, 2009
Well, looks like it didn't take long for the Library ta get here...Thought we could keep it more 'relaxed' this time.
If research is unwanted let me know and I will not offer any more . Just thought I would save a guy the trouble of poisoning himself when it wasnt nesecery.
I thought I would pass on some info. I dont see the need to poison yourself if you are not already.
If you are looking for a form of tobacco to use try nasal snuff. It comes in several flavors. The snuff I prefer is Willsons of Sharrow. It is English and has been in production since the mid 18th century.
Russ, I really appreciate your helping in this case....helped me a lot in making a decision.
Dennis
I for one appreciate the historical facts. Hard to do all that searching sometimes
QuoteI know some Natives used to smoke dung....you could try that.
ROFL Good one, Heather!!! thmbsup
Quote from: DEADDAWG on October 27, 2009
To All, as a smoker myself, I do not advocate the use of tobacco products in any way. I know how difficult it is to quit and understand the problems it can cause. This is why I recommended shredded jerky as an alternative. I use this often when hunting or shooting, it helps hold off the cravings (I prefer buffalo jerky). On the other side of the coin though, I have been known to make my own smoke for around camp. I use red Washington apple peels dried, Sage, Sweetgrass, Ginger Root and American Gensing. I chop it to about a fine pipe tobacco, mix thoroughly and soak it in Hennessy Cognac for about a month. I then run it through a dehydrator to remove most of the moisture, it should stay lit and smouldering on it's own but not flame when smoked. It is pleasantly aromatic and has a wonderful side effect when smoked in mixed company. Pack it tight in a clay pipe and enjoy.
Ohhh sounds good - wanna make me a care package to try???? chrrs Just started smoking a pipe to wean myself off cigarettes during Rondy season....
QuoteIf research is unwanted let me know and I will not offer any more . Just thought I would save a guy the trouble of poisoning himself when it wasnt nesecery.
QuoteI for one appreciate the historical facts. Hard to do all that searching sometimes
I appreciate the historical facts too. Thanks.
QuoteI for one appreciate the historical facts. Hard to do all that searching sometimes
QuoteI appreciate the historical facts too. Thanks
Glad to help
I know that some people dont have the time or resouces to do research for themselves.
Just an FYI
Google books is a great resource. Do an advanced search. enter a key word and a date range and you can find all kinds of great stuff
QuoteRuss, I really appreciate your helping in this case....helped me a lot in making a decision
Dennis
Waht was your decision.
Chewin the jerky. Wanna live a while longer. thmbsup
Dennis
russ; and to all who shall read this Greetings;
In a prior post I made mention of "The Library". One of our members, russ, was offended by it. Also a few other comments were not so well chosen on my behalf.
To this end I do appologize to you russ, specifically, and to any others that may have felt that I may have been referring to them at that time.
So, that said, Shall we all go back ta havin some fun an sharein knowledge thmbsup
hankaye
Hankeye.......... I love reading what you write too. You keep us entertained. And Dryball, good choice on the jerky chew. I kinda like it myself.
Takes a big man to admit when he might be wrong...
takes a bigger man to publicly apologize...
hank is a big man!
Russ keep the historical research coming - I enjoy it also and keeps me outta the library.. I know it is hard but we are a light hearted group and like our education in very small spoonfuls... ROFL
I like a good discussion with both sides being stated. My problem is that some times I do not know how to put my thoughts on paper and say what I want to say or how to put my feelings in what I am trying to say. That being said I understand that here and in other topics there may be a misunderstanding on how some of the information being given is being received.
Sometimes I have to go back and edit a post 2-3 time before
I will post it. Sometimes I edit to death and don't post it all.
I would like to suggest that each one go back and look at what you are about to post, and see if it is really saying what you want it to say.
A good way to live as well as post Harry. flwa
Dennis
Dry some Mullein ,coltsfoot, both good for your lungs. I have smoked the mullein, not bad. Just got some coltsfoot that I have drying. Put up The Hikers Notebook to see them. Dilly
Thanks Dilly. Where do you find these herbs?
I too try to edit and proofread all of my posts ,good advice to all. Now on to the subject at hand, These herbs should be able to be found at a Herbologist, or at some health food stores ,if they dont have it ,ask someone who works there and see if they know a good practical healer. Hope this helps. Also there might be listings on the yellow pages on the internet for your area Dennis?? But I will have to agree that some probably did not partake. And from what I understand, a herbal mix would be more PC because Tobacco was at Rendezvous ,but you didn't always have it year around . The Native peoples almost always had some kind of herbal concoction ,not tobacco.
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Thanks Dilly. Where do you find these herbs?
Fearless Leader, think he was directing you here:
http://www.sierrapotomac.org/W_Needham/h_notebook.html
It's About Appalachia, but ya never know what might have been brought along an 'transplanted'
The mullien and coltsfoot grow here in ohio. My buddy adds red sumac leaves to his. We have tons of all three here. To late to get the first two. First year mullien you can get some times. Look up the hikers notebook as it shows them. Dilly
Heather bring your dung(not your dung ) to the encampment and we will try it at the story fire.after u smoke a big bole of the stufe sean
Quote from: boardilly on December 15, 2009
The mullien and coltsfoot grow here in ohio. My buddy adds red sumac leaves to his. We have tons of all three here. To late to get the first two. First year mullien you can get some times. Look up the hikers notebook as it shows them. Dilly
sumac I always hears it was poison
There is a poison sumac that will affect you like poison ivy, but regular Sumac isn't poisonous. In fact, if you take the red fruits and brew them up, you can make "pink lemon-ade" or tea with them. Did it in scouts. Gotta have a sweetner for it though.
ahh mite try me some thmbsup
strpot Now, ahem!, there is a fair substitute for tobacco that is still used in some, ahem!, circles. Became very popular back in the '60s-no personal experience, of course, just heard tales is all-and found favor with many. It's my understanding it is discouraged by the government (so it must be good for us, then) even more than tobacco (go figure). The plant is actually common in some areas though (so I've heard) finds more favor when cultivated. Can't quite remember what it's called, though [hmm]. Maybe some of you more sophisticated jet-setters can add more information. noway
As I recall, didn't its leaves have 5 lobes???? Smoke kind of smell like an old rope??? Or was that the soochuc oolong tea?? Sometimes my memory if fuzzy from those days..
Quote from: hanshi on January 09, 2010
strpot Now, ahem!, there is a fair substitute for tobacco that is still used in some, ahem!, circles. Became very popular back in the '60s-no personal experience, of course, just heard tales is all-and found favor with many. It's my understanding it is discouraged by the government (so it must be good for us, then) even more than tobacco (go figure). The plant is actually common in some areas though (so I've heard) finds more favor when cultivated. Can't quite remember what it's called, though [hmm]. Maybe some of you more sophisticated jet-setters can add more information. noway
Yep I think that's what they had in the peace pipes bock in the day!? strpot
The natives had many herbs they used instead of tobacco. It appears that most plants do have a traditional medicinal use and the natives knew what to use for what ailment at a specific time. In fact many of the modern medicines use plants the natives had used for the same treatments and in some countries including Germany, they are still used by the general population in their original form. The old ways are proving to be more helpful than alot of the modern replacements but the drug companies do not want that to be known as they can not patent a natural herb or plant that grows in the wilds.
The natives would also use pearly everlasting as a tobacco substitute. If memory serves me right, they used several of over 30 herbs in various blends of kinikinik which was a tobacco substitute.
Some of these were actually used to help with lung problems.
I am still learning much of what I need to know but the native healing arts is not something you can learn in just a couple months. Most native healers spend their entire life learning these ways. I got a late start on this path in life but am going to work at it for the rest of my life.
Voy
bunkr Hey Hanshi,check wit the Virginia State police.Day gots a helicopter that can sniff it out fer ye.lol
Yeah, smoking that particular substitute does make the memory fuzzy and it does remind you of a rope burning. Wonder if the Sheriff would let us use that chopper to find some wild stands?
long the Md. Va. border (Potomac River) the unit is called M.E.R.T. (Maryjuwanna Eradication & Removal Team).
It would be period correct George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were documented growers of Hemp.
ROFL Can we git by tellin em its for reenactment use not recreational use.....
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ROFL Can we git by telling em its for reenactment use not recreational use.....
You may be on to something Hawken50 if it can get past the Thread Counters who are the police to complain!? strpot
Who knows we might have a huge surge of interest in our Rendezvous and Gatherings! thmbsup
never been a smoker ,just never had the urge I guess ! but my ex was , and I really dont recommend her method of quiting ! cold turkey ! an appropriate term ! the longer she went without the colder and meaner she got ! after a month or so she gave up , guess seeing me ,her kids ,and anyone else within range flinch every time she came towards us finally got to her! ROFL
[hmm] WELL YOU CAN SMOKE MULLEN, ITS ACTUALY GOOD FOR YA, IT IS A KNOWN BRONCHIAL DIALATOR! THE OTHER NAME FOR MULLEN IS VELVET LEAF, DUE TO ITS FUZZY TEXTURE!, ANOTHER GOOD SUBSTITUTE THAT THE NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE IS CALLED BEAR BERRY! YOU TAKE THE LITTLE LEAVES FROM IT, AND LET THEM DRIE OUT, THEN GRIND THEM UP, AND USE FOR TOBACCO! AND BEAR BERRY ALSO SMELLS A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN REGULAR TOBACCO!
Dont have bearberry around here.
Voy
Try blueheronmercantile.com Jim used to carry an all herbal smoke .Pretty good but still just try to stick to puffin and not inhaling.
Wasn't that the answer one or more of our politicians had for the question about smoking?? "I din't inhale"