Roundball, serious about not eating wild meat or did I miss something? If I did rdfce. I've always felt safer (when I ate meat) eating venison rather than beef. The stuff they put into livestock is very unsettling. I have been donating my kills for years, now, but would certainly feel okay (on a number of levels) consuming my deer rather than domestic critters. We handicap ourselves and engage in fair chase which I consider noble. Ever notice how these anti gun/hunting types don't have a problem eating meat someone else killed for them and from an animal that had no chance? chrrs
I do not trust store bought meat. I and many others feel the cancer rate as well as many other illnesses and diseases we now have is directly linked to the food we are eating. I will take wild game home raised free range domestic critters over store bought any time.
Voy
Its a free country my friend...no where did I mention it was wrong for anybody to do anything...I simply said my Wife and I stopped eating dead animals dragged out of the woods years ago...eat whatever you what and enjoy
thmbsup
Quote from: roundball on October 24, 2009, 09:05:46 PM
Its a free country my friend...no where did I mention it was wrong for anybody to do anything...I simply said my Wife and I stopped eating dead animals dragged out of the woods years ago...eat whatever you what and enjoy
thmbsup
Not trying pin you down, Roundball, sorry. It's just that I don't run into many folks that do about the same thing I do. I also don't eat the critters I drag out of the woods. I've always donated to the hunters for the hungry people or, most of the time, taken orders from friends who wanted to fill their freezers but who don't hunt. I don't eat meat (for several reasons only one of which is the inhumane way domestic meat animals are treated) but occasionally eat fish. No, I'm not a "bleeding heart liberal", I'm about as country as they get. It's just my personal decision to be basically a vegetarian. I consider fair chase hunting to be a particularly honorable pursuit. While I've been into muzzleloading around 45 years, I went strictly muzzleloading (flintlock) only several years ago, even during the regular seasons. I know many on the forum also do this. It really puts the challenge back into hunting.
Hanshi, I'm in the same position you are...only difference being you have 5 years more experience muzzleloading then me. I too am basically a vegetarian, with the exception of fish...although I occasionally backslide and have a piece of meat. rdfce. Even the fine people on our forum who I have told this to seem to think of me as a bit strange because of this.
Dennis
Dryball, my wife says I'm strange. Her mother told her to never talk to strange men. Go figure.
I think this comes down to a personal decision - meat or no meat - store bought or not - it is our own decision and should not be a matter of controversy here.
If I am a black powder shooter but also believe against hunting then what right do I have to ask you not wear buckskin or fur. We should be able to confine ourselves to reasonable discussions without making judgments and just enjoy the camaraderie of the subject we have in common...
It does not matter to me if you are human ( in all its forms), martian, or from outside the solar system we share a hobby and can learn form each other about that hobby. if some of your beliefs do not coincide with mine so be it....
Jim, never implied you were one to look down your nose at anyone...was referring mainly to some earlier booshways. We all realize your perfect. :qz:
Dennis
I'll let you all in on a little secret - I am NOT perfect! (Ask bulldog Lady!) I personally believe the only perfect human died on a cross 2000 years ago. but that is my belief and I will not push it on anyone else...
But I do believe we can all get along... If we try.... thmbsup
I hunt ground hogs, (woodchucks ,to any flatlanders ), but I dont eat them ! have once or twice , but that was a ,we`re out of everything and the cat started looking good ,situation !
Jammin J., has a list started in another section sumwheres 'round herebouts. He gots my menu on it. And at no time were the cat or any other domestic (easy ta catch), critter in danger hi:
It does not matter to me if you are human ( in all its forms), martian, or from outside the solar system we share a hobby and can learn form each other about that hobby. if some of your beliefs do not coincide with mine so be it....
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Funny you should mention it but only part of my ancestry is human. I treasure my old family album & papers handed down to me. Here is an old picture of my dear great grandfather. I still recall those wonderful summer afternoons with him teaching me to wield the tri-blade beheader and setting up ambushes. Still brings tears to my eyes on occasion.
I can respect someone who is primarily vegetarian. In fact, I eat enough meat to make up for a couple of them. As for not eating what you hunt, I for one only hunt what I am going to eat, but at least some of the hunters like Hanshi, who hunt make sure the meat goes to those who will use it. If a person does not want to hunt or eat meat that is their personal choice. I just dont like when someone tries to force there views onto other or when someone goes hunting, just takes the horns or hide, etc. and leaves the rest of the animal to rot as they do not want the meat.
I hunt for the enjoyment of the outdoors and for the meat, and am sure the time is coming when more of us will have no choice but to rely more on what nature has put here for us to eat and not so much on what the grocier has on the shelf. I am at the point now where it is gettin pretty lean to do any extra spending.
Voy
Quote from: voyageur1688 on October 25, 2009, 07:41:08 PM
I just dont like when someone tries to force there views onto other or when someone goes hunting, just takes the horns or hide, etc. and leaves the rest of the animal to rot as they do not want the meat.
Who in these threads has done that to you?
Poor choice of wording on my part as nobody here has done that. I was speaking of people in general. Those here are great people and are all work together pretty well, as we all share a common interest, and do what we can to help each other.
I appologize for any misunderstanding on this.
Voy
Yes, printing statements on the Internet may or may not come across as intended.
For the record...for many years now I've had the convenience of being able to directly deliver and give all game I shoot to a very poor family in the area I hunt...I've cleaned and butchered enough to prove my manhoood and since my Wife and I no longer use venison, I'd just as soon not bother with all that...I just like to hunt them.
I have a low 'hitch haul' that slides into the receiver on the back of the Blazer...drag deer up on that, drive one mile down the road from the property I hunt and unload it where the lady told me to put them...on the hood of an old Chevy that's on cinder blocks in the side yard so the dogs don't get it.
Practically before I can get back into the truck and out of the dirt yard onto the road, a couple cars are slowing down to turn in...relatives and nighbors she calls...in no time the deer is skinned, butchered, and divided up among a few needy families...6 deer per season. A few years ago when deer season rolls around they began setting up a 4" x 4" x 10' A-rame in the side yard to use processing the deer.
So I get to enjoy not only deer hunting and taking game the way the settlers did with Flintlocks, but I also get satisfaction out of helping a few local needy families by delivering free venison to their door...win-win for everybody.
I thank you for the clarification Voy!
I know myself I feel the same - I usually eat what I hunt. One exception was back in 1969. I had just lost my father and was feeling lost, my big brother form the big brothers organization knew I love the outdoors and convinced my mom to get me a life membership to the NRA, they had a contest going and I won the junior life member bighorn sheep hunt that year... long story short - I went to Wyoming and took part in the hunt but was only taking pictures until the last day of the hunt. The guide had constantly tried to get me to use my rifle and I kept refusing... (he had been told I had just lost dad) when he pressed me the evening before the last day I told him dad had taught me never to shoot unless I was going to feed the family or in self defense....
He made me take the shot the next day after telling me the meat would not go to waste. after we got done and I had taken a nice ram with a full curl he brought me to the reservation that evening and told me that the ram I had taken as well as several others fro this hun twas being prepared for a tribal ceremony ... He also told the elders of the tribe what I had done in refusing to shoot an animal just for the trophy...
The elders inducted me into the blackfoot tribe that night because of what I had been taught and the strength of my convictions....
I really wish I could have understood what an honor that was but being 14 at the time I kinda just blew it off... I don't even remember the name I was given or anything...
We live and learn and hopefully make this a better world for the next generation...
Voy , I know what ya meanbeen at the mersy of some of those that feel EVERYONE HAS ta think the same as them. Pain in the A** (PITA). hntr
Very fortunate we do NOT have ta do so here. chrrs chrrs
Round ball just read your last entry!! Great thing you do cause we all know that tis better to give than to recieve!!! And we should all aspire to be giving in one way or another!!! thmbsup thmbsup thmbsup chrrs
Quote from: aka-kesler on October 26, 2009, 01:17:09 AM
Round ball just read your last entry!! Great thing you do cause we all know that tis better to give than to recieve!!! And we should all aspire to be giving in one way or another!!! thmbsup thmbsup thmbsup chrrs
I'll 2ed. that thmbsup thmbsup thmbsup
I'll third it.... It is a definate Win Win for everyone involved! A lot of States are now trying the same experiment - If you hunt they will take it and have it processed and deliver it to needy family's.. a good idea for those of us who love the hunt, and helps with game management.
Here in Texas it costs a pretty penny to donate a deer for the needy so I butcher and process them myself and drop them off for the old folks around here. We dont buy meat we hunt most of the year for a varity of things from deer to hogs and everything in between. We make our own sausage, jerky, smoked hams, smoked porks, the whole deal. Only thing I kill just to kill are flies. I hate flies.
We eat the game we kill. The varmits we kill well, the worms and buzzards got to eat too. Fish a lot. We also crab and dig clams. Most of the beef we buy is Scottish Highland raised w/o hormones and minimal if any aniti biotics is grass fed and finished with a bit of grain about a month before slaughter. We rarely eat feed lot beef. Most ain't worth the risk.
I always look forward to getting my freezer close to empty this time of year, that way there's plent y of room for the 1 deer we get to kill and if I'm dam lucky, room for a full size elk, we usually eat this up over the course of a year and theres always a wild game burnt meat saturday night at every rondy we attend during the year!
I had some fresh tender loin for dinner tonight fried with brown gravy. It was fixins set for a king. I ate til I was about pop. There are not many things any better.
I work ina beef packing plant as the fork lift teck I get to by the meat right from the plant I can by a hole riby for what most restronts get for just a 10 oz riby stake but it still does not taste like the beef I bucher right out of my own hurde can not even come close . my cowes eat grass and hay thats all if they get sick they eather live or die may have somthing to do with it. here in ok I can shoot wild hog with only a hunting licens makes more meat then deer and like the tast to(cheeper then trying to raise them ) not that I do not like deer . i just do not have a tast for prossed food and I am a real meat and potatos kind of person
We like the farm raised beef but the dear, squirrel, bunny,pheasant,grouse and duck are the best. We do the butchering. We just got dun making 160 pounds of sausage of all kinds. The food shelf shot themselves in the foot here in Minnesota last year. The through out several hundred pound of venison because it was contaminated from lead they said. This year they were not happy they didn't get much.
Odd how these same people will rail about shot venison and buy into the fantasy of lead contamination, while at the same time distribute, sell and consume beef, chicken, pork, etc., shot full of antibiotics yet carrying drug resistant bacteria. Is the national IQ dropping or is there a brainwashing, conspirasy/collusion at work? Wild meat taken by hunters is the most nutritional and safe meat one can get.
Roaddog,
What part of Minnesota are ya in? I live up in Ely. Do ya do any rondies? We are lookin at havin a couple up here this year.
Hanshi,
I would say its a combination of brainwashing and IQ's gettin lower. With all the fluoride we are consuming every day we are for the most part slowly dumbing ourselves down and most dont even realize it. Then ya add to that all the crud they put in our food an we do have a big problem comin at us like a runaway herd of buffalo. All the steroids an antibiotics they put in the meat and the way they are hybridizing all the veggies its a miracle we aint doin worse than we are but thats gonna start showin changes real soon cuz they are changin the foods more an more every day.
Voy
IQ and duming down hell yes I mean look at what our grand parents were taught in school and what they teach them now some of our grand parents only had a 8th grade ed but they were taught things that we now go to callage for. and look at all the modern high tech crud we have now phone # u don't have to remember them now because the phone does it for u go to the parts store get a part for your car if it isn't in the little black box they cant get it cant look it up In a book and so on and so on but yes we are dumbing down IQ's are getting lower and not just because of food but I'm getting off track here better get back to my black powder gun and all the old ways be for I make us all a little dumer
:applause: Best meat is what you kill and butcher yerself.A lady at work and her husband raised a steer last year.She wouldnt let him butcher it,said she couldnt eat it after raisin it.So they sold it,went to the grocery store and bought their meat.She asked me how i felt killing cows and bambi's.I told her i could be sittin at the table eatin a t-bone look out the window and watch my cattle in the field.She wouldnt talk to me for a week.....but im glad to see everybody here either eating what they kill or seeing that it gets to someone who needs it.We got too many horn hunters around here.
Don't understand those horn hunters...Brother-in-law had a tag locally here and got a big bull this year...good choice...old bull with teeth worn down to the gum line..not much fat on him and really dark meat...grinder fixed any problem with chewing it, but for good meat--give me the young small horned bull or a cow...His was a good choice acct. he needed culling before he starved.
Doug
skrt Was bouncin in a bar in a minin town in northern Alberta, Few "hunters just got back from the bush, were celebratin' a so called sucessful hunt, one was braggin about his new fangled scoped high power rifle and how many moose he had shot with it. I over heard and ask him how many? He puffed out his chest and said with obviously a great deal of pride " I shot Eleven Moose", I asked him "What'cha goin ta do with all that meat?" He said without a hitch and no signs that anything was amiss " I LEFT IT THERE"!!!!!. I asked him " Ya mean ya didn't tell anybody where it was or anything?" "Ya didn't keep anything?" He said " just the biggest head and a set of the best antlers" This feller was all decked out in the lastest Gortex and Nylon huntin finery, (expensive and brand new). I told all the Native boys at the other end of the bar about this. I heard they waited till he left and gave him a little tune-up. There is a reservation not to far from where this "gentleman" was huntin that could have been fed all winter on 11 moose and used everything up, and I mean everything. So when I hear the caring and common sense coming from this site, I feel alittle less angry at that gentlemen :qz:
Quote from: NAULTRICK1 on April 19, 2010, 06:33:54 AM
skrt Was bouncin in a bar in a minin town in northern Alberta, Few "hunters just got back from the bush, were celebratin' a so called sucessful hunt, one was braggin about his new fangled scoped high power rifle and how many moose he had shot with it. I over heard and ask him how many? He puffed out his chest and said with obviously a great deal of pride " I shot Eleven Moose", I asked him "What'cha goin ta do with all that meat?" He said without a hitch and no signs that anything was amiss " I LEFT IT THERE"!!!!!. I asked him " Ya mean ya didn't tell anybody where it was or anything?" "Ya didn't keep anything?" He said " just the biggest head and a set of the best antlers" This feller was all decked out in the lastest Gortex and Nylon huntin finery, (expensive and brand new). I told all the Native boys at the other end of the bar about this. I heard they waited till he left and gave him a little tune-up. There is a reservation not to far from where this "gentleman" was huntin that could have been fed all winter on 11 moose and used everything up, and I mean everything. So when I hear the caring and common sense coming from this site, I feel alittle less angry at that gentlemen :qz:
That was an obscene waste of food and natural resources! I admire the amount of restraint your showed personally, I don't think I could have stood there for very long and not committed assault after hearing that jackass spout off.
I agree with William!
Something I discovered back in my youth is that wild tofu tastes better than farmed tofu. [hmm]
Someone that would just kill all those moose and leave them should be brought out to the reservation and face the entire reservation while unarmed.
Voy
True 'dat...
Quote from: voyageur1688 on April 20, 2010, 01:48:07 AM
Someone that would just kill all those moose and leave them should be brought out to the reservation and face the entire reservation while unarmed.
Voy
Ibid
Quote from: hanshi on October 25, 2009, 01:13:58 AM
Dryball, my wife says I'm strange. Her mother told her to never talk to strange men. Go figure.
My wife's mother told her the same thing, so we got to know each other by posting and E-mail so when we first spoke we were not strangers.
As to store bought or wild meat, if I could I would eat only wild, what with all the hormones(?) and antibiotic's. pumped into them now days.
Shoot I eat anything I catch or Shoot.Have all my life.Learned also it keeps my Mother in Law from eating at my place.
oneshot
Mine come over once, saw me makin pemmican, hasn't bin back since, (was it somfin I said?)
Hey, thanks for the reminder....Pemmican was under my desk..Grabbed my bag and pulled out 4 tubes..Yum, it's better now that it has aged a year...Plain brown paper wrap tied with a string....must keep forever??
Doug..
The original Trail mix thmbsup You Betcha, I've never had any go bad dntn
Yup! I eat everything I shoot, too. Ya' know, a tin can can really cut up a lip. blah
ROFL ROFL And clay pidgion DONT taste like chicken neither!!!!!
Back when I could eat meat...... I really liked to smoke a sow feral hog ham! You talk about some good eating! It was so much better than bought ham there was no comparison! "Beef" stew made with venison is hard to beat also. Not to mention butterfly backstrap chicken fried. Pan sausage from deer or hog was great, but don't mix the two.
Course I don't eat no meat, vegetarian and all that. Still, you haven't lived until you've survived a charge from a really big cabbage! A .45 is the minimum for big game vegetables. hntr
hdslp A 45 on cabbage....not humane....only a 50 with no less than 100 grains o powder will do.
I sure liked my venison stake, with green beans and baked potato tonight. hntr
CWD is a real problem here in Alberta now. It started in game farmed deer in Saskatchewan and has moved east. It makes me a little leary about the Whitetail arond home now but they say it isn't here yet. Aparently the Mule Deer don't have it yet either but I smell bs every time somone from the government opens there mouth. So that leaves you with Elk, Bison or Moose. I never ate an Elk I liked, pretty much the same goes for Bison and Moose [which is the best meat bar none] is all draw unless you really want to go North. It just gets frustating.
I suppose someone will point out ther is lots of Bear to hunt as well but I won't eat bear meat as they are a omnivore. :-&
The best meat on the planet- Elk, then moose, caribou, deer won't eat bear unless they come from the far bush, if you saw what they will eat around people-you won't either. I grew up in the northern foothills of Alberta and have hunted, trapped and eaten just about everything with fur, hair and hide and as long as they're far enough away from human habitation they're all pretty clean meat, doesn't say much for us as a species does it? Same goes for fish and fowl, if the waters cold and clean they can't be beat for taste. hntr
Back some 40 years are so, I would open the stomach of the deer I killed to see what they had been feeding on. I made the mistake of opening a hog's stomach........ Won't ever do that again. :qz: Took me a few months before I could eat wild hog again. ;D
Was working graveyards onna rig in Northern B.C., useta sleep on the the roof of the camp shacks in the
summer,(never did like sleeping indoors) heard a noise so peeked over the edge and saw a black bear sow and cubs eatin the scum off the sump pit(everything goes in the sump-toilet water-sink water-slop etc.) haven't eatin bear since, might if I went far enough away from so-called civilization, bugs me two cause when I was a kid we always had a jar off pickled bear handy, some believe that we are this planets most virulent virus, it's people like those that I have come to know and care for on this site that give me hope that we can be self curing.
Ifin ya ever seen a commercial hog farm you'd never ever eat pork again.
Quote from: Hawken50 on June 06, 2010, 03:31:35 AM
hdslp A 45 on cabbage....not humane....only a 50 with no less than 100 grains o powder will do.
I shoot for the heart. dntn
(susp) How do ya track a wounded cabbage? what kind of sign do they leave? and are they as dangerous as wounded bear? (susp)
dont know about hanshi,but I look for a trail of slaw ! easier if you shoot them in the fall before snow comes ! ROFL
The thing with cabbage is, if you want to stop them dead in their tracks, shot them in the head. hdslp
(susp) Do they go sour if ya don't dress em fast?And what do ya use for dressing em? (susp)
Now that this thread has been officially hijacked....
I prefer #4 shot from my double barrel caplock and body shots at a covey of brussel sprouts...
Quote from: NAULTRICK1 on June 07, 2010, 02:05:08 AM
(susp) Do they go sour if ya don't dress em fast?And what do ya use for dressing em? (susp)
this works pretty good ! dress them soon as you can ,and let em chill in the fridge ! 1 1/4 cup mayonnaise
1/3 cup sugar
1/4 cup cider vinegar
1/4 teaspoon celery seed
1/2 teaspoon Creole seasoning or seasoned salt
1/4 teaspoon black pepper
salt, to taste
If they do go sour, they're still edible. Then they're good with hot dogs, keilbasa, and roast pork.
Or stuffed with rice and meat, but it's got to be a kill shot, sour cabbage is a mean critter when wounded I would think. hntr ROFL
Big squash are what make me sweat; and I am usually a cool cucumber...uh, hunter.
I KINDA GOT'R FIGURED THIS A WAY. IF YER FURNISHIN YER OWN GROCERIES, EAT WHAT EVER SUITS YOU. IF I'M INVITED TO SUP WITH ANOTHER I EAT WHAT THEY GOT AND WOULD EXPECT THE SAME FROM THEM. IF IT DON'T SET WELL WITH YOU I RECKON THEY STILL SELL CASTOR OIL.
Well, after baloots and squid on a stick, I figure I can try whatever somebody else will eat...still think old crows are to damned tough.
But if that's what you have, my teeth still work good.
I hear that - I'll eat what is put in front of me if I am at someone else's fire... but only if they are eating it also!
For the most part if they are eatin it I will to, and if it wanders to close to me in the woods it may go in the stew pot and I will be eatin it and ifns they are with me they can eat it as well or go hungry.
Voy
Tain't been exposed to much wild stuff out side of rattle snake, not bad but the thought! pnic Heard coon, possum, tain't to sure on them, no big game (bear, moose, etc) but sure not turn down a chance on them, Goat sounds delicious, turtle give a try, crow have to draw line, dove, pheasant, quail , prairie chicken gourmet~!!! Mt oysters the ultimate, guess I just a spoiled city girl.
Beaver n muskrat are very good as well. I will try just bout anything.
Voy
myself im a self proclamed carnivore.. course i do add some roughage to my diet.. sometimes bean, potatoes maters ect... but im all about eating what you kill and killing to eat.. sometime we dont have enough money to keep meat i the freezer so the occasional deer, turkey, hog, or varmit helps. course it dont hurt that they are so darned tasty..nothing better then bbq coon or fried squirrel n taters and gravy. nothing against the vegitarians, its a personal choice, but after seeing what happens to chicken from a processing plant ( worked at one for 3 yrs wont name no company names) im a bit wary about eating much store bought meats.
As I've heard in the past...." If we weren't supposed to eat critters, They wouldn't be made out of meat." So There!!
:-& I know what yas mean kybackwoodsman.I used to drive for a company that hauled chickens on ice for a major company on the east coast. After picking up that first load it was years afore i could even stand smellin chicken cookin.
Quote from: voyageur1688 on September 20, 2010, 01:34:56 AM
Beaver n muskrat are very good as well. I will try just bout anything.
Voy
Love Beaver, will eat Mrat in a pinch, but when I was a youngster used have a trapline and ma'Dads deal was (he was a Cree native) if ya kill it, for what ever reason, ya eat it if ya can, turned me on ta some pretty tasty meat, ya aughta try porkypine-nice delicate flavour, with beaver when ya roastin em a couple quartered apples makes em delish strpot
hntr Porcupine is good and they come with toothpicks. Course blackberries do too.
It has always been a great blessing to me to have wild game meat. It does however require knowledge of the critter and its particulars of eating, known carried ailments, and its preparation for the table. My maternal grandmother could cook a rock and it would be good. Well she also could shore mess up a coon in a pot though. She didn't know all the particulars and it was terrible. Two months later she made possum and potatoes that was fabulous. I spent a few years in various deserts of the world and shore am glad to be home to wander amongst the trees again. Beats a super market any day! I have eaten snake in various parts of the world, but have yet to find someone to get the nasty out of a cottonmouth. I hate to take anythings life, even a viper, but I had to throw a 39 inch 7 pound chunk of meat back into the swamp it crawled out of because I can't cook the thing. It had taken up residence on the sidewalk of one of the buildings I look after as a grounds keeper, and had cornered the resident and his dog. Since my 50 caliber cap lock would violate several ordinances the old shovel had to do. Up in the Osceola National Forest, the rattlers up there are not much trouble to cook, well after you avoid getting bit by the Eastern Diamondback ones anyhow. They have this component in their venom which they commonly share with you very liberally that can cause system failures (death) in whatever they can bite.
We like many folks prefer elk to beef or pork. Folks in are area take enough big game to last thru until the next fall. The hides are tanned and mine are made into winter robes. We sometimes harvest game for those that can no longer hunt but want game meat. The school is closed so the young ones can help harvest. The United States is a wonderful place complete with free choice. ;D