I admit it...I'm a wimp. But a wimp who wants to go trekking. Now, I have no trouble carrying pack, powder horn, round balls, knife, pouch, and belt ax. But...when it comes to rifles, I have a very low weight limit... about 4 lbs. None of my guns came even close to being that light, so...off to the drawing board. I had a couple .32 Traditions Crockett's, and decided to makeover one of them. Starting with the barrel...snip, snip, snip....down to 16". Refit the front sight, re crown, and shorten the ramrod....hmmmm....not quite right...I know! It needs some brass tacks! So, with nothing more then a hacksaw, drill and bit, hammer, and a whole lot of soul searching...here she is! All 4 lbs. of rifle that I can carry....and a reason for many of you to think...NO! But remember, this is the only way I can go trekking without a gunbearer.
Dennis
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4139/dscn0092i.jpg)
If that is what it takes for you to enjoy the sport, than more power to ya. I think it looks great. Now lets see how it shoots, i bet it will be fine for small game gettin.
hey I really like...kids would love to shoot it!!
Yeah, shorten the stock to 12 inches and the kids would have a blast!
Dennis
I like it DB.
Looks real good.
How about a rifle sling?
Cant figure one out....got any ideas?
Dennis
Hmm.........................
Quote from: Micanopy on June 26, 2009, 01:10:43 PM
Hmm.........................
Ya know, if you hate it....that's ok. Feel free to speak out.
Dennis
LOL...Well you know me. I'm going to tell you what I feel. Takes a little getting used to but it sort of grows on you. As far as a sling goes.... I think a holster would be more appropriate. ;D
lol! groovie! everone should remember, back in the day, they did what it took to go and do there thing. sooooo, i think its gonna be fun to shoot!
Jean, you surprise me! I thought you'd wet your breechclout when you saw it. Now, if you can figure a pattern for a holster for my Colt that will handle the weight, I'll bring it and let you shoot it.
Dennis
Quote from: Ironwood on June 26, 2009, 02:05:19 PM
LOL...Well you know me. I'm going to tell you what I feel. Takes a little getting used to but it sort of grows on you. As far as a sling goes.... I think a holster would be more appropriate. ;D
You may have an idea there...what about a frog?
Dennis
will this work? its tomg's
pattern for my ROA.
I used 8 to 9 oz. vegetable tanned leather.
Excellent pattern, went together real nice.
Laced it up with a piece up latigo lacing.
Stained with some dark brown stain and brown shoe polish.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p182/lg40402/001-10.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p182/lg40402/003-5.jpg)
Think it would handle the weight of this hogleg? Don't worry, I'm bringing it anyway...not to carry maybe...but so we can shoot it.
Dennis
i think something along these lines will work just fine!
Quote from: Dryball on June 26, 2009, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: Micanopy on June 26, 2009, 01:10:43 PM
Hmm.........................
Ya know, if you hate it....that's ok. Feel free to speak out.
Dennis
Nope, dont hate it at all. I think it'd be very neat to have one of those, light weight, easy swinging in the thick woods. Enough ummph for what needsa go in the pot. When I said Hmmm, I was thinkin,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
man thatd be a good dug out gun. I have a hybred .45 that I might just have to concider....
Hmmmmmmmm............
Y'know, ah never meant ta be a bad influence on y'all, but looks like ah is. noway rdfce
Dennis
How ya figure? Its a pretty cool rifle, or carbine now. Lota the southern folks in the glades cut down smooth guns for quick and easy handling during the seminole wars. I couldnt never bring myself to cut down our crockett rifle, only got one and being so poor now will prolly never be able to afford another one, but. as I mentioned, I has that hybred, traditions/cva/juker .45 i been working on...................................... thmbsup
Wall, iffin ye figur to do tha same thin ah did, yer a grod man...so go to hit! An ah wisht ya well! Wanna see hit when yer dun...ok?
Dennis
How you do the front sight? I have no real skills in dove tailing, I did drill the staple for the under lug key and make the staple out of a nail. But I aint so sure about doing the front sight......
the front site is easy, make a series of shallow cuts with a hacksaw, the with a triangle file with one safe side (no teeth) knock out the ridges and file your dove tail
Quote from: Micanopy on June 26, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
How you do the front sight? I have no real skills in dove tailing, I did drill the staple for the under lug key and make the staple out of a nail. But I aint so sure about doing the front sight......
It's scary the first few times....but it's not really hard. Whole idea is go sloooooow! You have a dial caliper, then check the depth of the old sight slot...and keep checking as you go. Determine where you want the new slot and mark one edge....then take your hacksaw with a fresh blade and cut on the line to almost the same depth as the original slot. Then find the exact length of that slot and mark your second line at that point. Then cut as you made the first cut...inside the line! That way if your off a bit...no prob. You will repeat these cuts in between the first two. Next, you need two triangular files...grind off one side of one of those files. This will be the finish file. With the other file...remove metal til your pretty much flat the full length between yout saw cuts. Now comes the fun part...use the other file to make your angles at the sides of your slot...take your time and you will eventually get there! Remember, you cant add metal back...so cut slow and check often.
Hmmmmm... an original Mini Gun...... thats my first impression.... But you all know me by now, if it works for you, DO IT!
Necessity is the mother of invention and you had the necessity... Besides where would we all be if their wern't risk takers and noncomformists in society....
this will give you an idea of what i was talking about
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm116/keoni121/gunsmithing/dovetail-1.jpg)
Useful drawing Jean...but not all sights will require these exact dimensions.
Wellll..............
ok, no I is scared to death about that. Maybeso I better just sweat a blade on it? Would that work? Maybe one of them turtle ones?
Quote from: Micanopy on June 26, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
Wellll..............
ok, no I is scared to death about that. Maybeso I better just sweat a blade on it? Would that work? Maybe one of them turtle ones?
Now your scaring me! Heat on a barrel always bothered me...and the closer to my face it affects the barrel...the scarier! That tube we call a barrel has a lot of pressure in it when it goes boom...and heat can affect temper. I prefer dovetailng, although if you know what your doing then I guess your way is safe.
Dennis
Hm, yer right, heat can do bad things to a barrel, specially enough heat to sweat somthing in place and keep it there.
?????????
You could practice making dovetails on the piece of barrel you cut off...it really isn't all that hard.
Good idea. thmbsup
Thats a cool little rifle you made yourself I have but one question How well does she shoot now still as accurate as it was ?
You see i have three young daughters the youngest one is beggin me to let her shoot my rifles (the two older girls hunt and shoot alread).... But they dang near weight as much as she does she is six but kinda small for her age only weights around 40 pounds soaking weight..
and she can't hold em up and then of course the stock is to long for her to even hold em right to fire in the first place... I might wanna consider this as an option should i find a .32 or even .36 that is cheap enough to get and do something like this too. maybe even build one from scratch I have always wanted to cut and shape my own rifle stock as i have a knack for working with wood or so i am told ..
Quote from: Dryball on June 26, 2009, 04:09:11 PM
Useful drawing Jean...but not all sights will require these exact dimensions.
ignore the dimensions, its supposed to be a depiction of the process
Quote from: Dryball on June 26, 2009, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: Micanopy on June 26, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
Wellll..............
ok, no I is scared to death about that. Maybeso I better just sweat a blade on it? Would that work? Maybe one of them turtle ones?
Now your scaring me! Heat on a barrel always bothered me...and the closer to my face it affects the barrel...the scarier! That tube we call a barrel has a lot of pressure in it when it goes boom...and heat can affect temper. I prefer dovetailng, although if you know what your doing then I guess your way is safe.
Dennis
keep in mind, sweating a sight on is how they do smoothies and fowlers
Quote from: ThunderHeart on June 26, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Thats a cool little rifle you made yourself I have but one question How well does she shoot now still as accurate as it was ?
You see i have three young daughters the youngest one is beggin me to let her shoot my rifles (the two older girls hunt and shoot alread).... But they dang near weight as much as she does she is six but kinda small for her age only weights around 40 pounds soaking weight..
and she can't hold em up and then of course the stock is to long for her to even hold em right to fire in the first place... I might wanna consider this as an option should i find a .32 or even .36 that is cheap enough to get and do something like this too. maybe even build one from scratch I have always wanted to cut and shape my own rifle stock as i have a knack for working with wood or so i am told ..
Cant say yet...but all the other guns I've shortened in the past were as accurate or better then they were originally. Only thing you lose with a short barrels is velocity.
Dennis
Quote from: crow killer on June 26, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: Dryball on June 26, 2009, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: Micanopy on June 26, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
Wellll..............
ok, no I is scared to death about that. Maybeso I better just sweat a blade on it? Would that work? Maybe one of them turtle ones?
Now your scaring me! Heat on a barrel always bothered me...and the closer to my face it affects the barrel...the scarier! That tube we call a barrel has a lot of pressure in it when it goes boom...and heat can affect temper. I prefer dovetailng, although if you know what your doing then I guess your way is safe.
Dennis
keep in mind, sweating a sight on is how they do smoothies and fowlers
True, but both are lower pressure guns. And done by those who are familiar with the process.
Quote from: ThunderHeart on June 26, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Thats a cool little rifle you made yourself I have but one question How well does she shoot now still as accurate as it was ?
You see i have three young daughters the youngest one is beggin me to let her shoot my rifles (the two older girls hunt and shoot alread).... But they dang near weight as much as she does she is six but kinda small for her age only weights around 40 pounds soaking weight..
and she can't hold em up and then of course the stock is to long for her to even hold em right to fire in the first place... I might wanna consider this as an option should i find a .32 or even .36 that is cheap enough to get and do something like this too. maybe even build one from scratch I have always wanted to cut and shape my own rifle stock as i have a knack for working with wood or so i am told ..
dont underestmate what you daughter can do! heres a pic of my daughter, at 15, 6 months pregnant with my 50 cal gpr! shes 5' 2" and 98lbs in the pic. oh yeah and on snow shoes. also she owns a 50 cal traditions kentuky that she loves to shoot
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm116/keoni121/disco/discoverycenter026-1.jpg)
By the by...Jean and I are not arguing...just discussing different aspects of the same answer.
Dennis
Quote from: crow killer on June 26, 2009, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: ThunderHeart on June 26, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Thats a cool little rifle you made yourself I have but one question How well does she shoot now still as accurate as it was ?
You see i have three young daughters the youngest one is beggin me to let her shoot my rifles (the two older girls hunt and shoot alread).... But they dang near weight as much as she does she is six but kinda small for her age only weights around 40 pounds soaking weight..
and she can't hold em up and then of course the stock is to long for her to even hold em right to fire in the first place... I might wanna consider this as an option should i find a .32 or even .36 that is cheap enough to get and do something like this too. maybe even build one from scratch I have always wanted to cut and shape my own rifle stock as i have a knack for working with wood or so i am told ..
dont underestmate what you daughter can do! heres a pic of my daughter, at 15, 6 months pregnant with my 50 cal gpr! shes 5' 2" and 98lbs in the pic. oh yeah and on snow shoes. also she owns a 50 cal traditions kentuky that she loves to shoot
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm116/keoni121/disco/discoverycenter026-1.jpg)
believe me when i say i dont underestimate at all but she is only 6 and my rifles are taller then she is and weight a quarter of what she does..
Quote from: Dryball on June 26, 2009, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: crow killer on June 26, 2009, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: Dryball on June 26, 2009, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: Micanopy on June 26, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
Wellll..............
ok, no I is scared to death about that. Maybeso I better just sweat a blade on it? Would that work? Maybe one of them turtle ones?
Now your scaring me! Heat on a barrel always bothered me...and the closer to my face it affects the barrel...the scarier! That tube we call a barrel has a lot of pressure in it when it goes boom...and heat can affect temper. I prefer dovetailng, although if you know what your doing then I guess your way is safe.
Dennis
keep in mind, sweating a sight on is how they do smoothies and fowlers
True, but both are lower pressure guns. And done by those who are familiar with the process.
its not that there low pressure, its only the front, and most energy is expelled at that point. i know guys that shoot at 200 yards with a .58 cal smoothie, but your right about the "knowing what your doing"
Quote from: ThunderHeart on June 26, 2009, 05:02:49 PM
believe me when i say i dont underestimate at all but she is only 6 and my rifles are taller then she is and weight a quarter of what she does..
let her do it from a bench rest
Quote from: Dryball on June 26, 2009, 05:01:40 PM
By the by...Jean and I are not arguing...just discussing different aspects of the same answer.
Dennis
who said we were arguing? i thought we were narrowing down the answer
Exactly...but you know how that can appear.
Quote from: ThunderHeart on June 26, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Thats a cool little rifle you made yourself I have but one question How well does she shoot now still as accurate as it was ?
You see i have three young daughters the youngest one is beggin me to let her shoot my rifles (the two older girls hunt and shoot alread).... But they dang near weight as much as she does she is six but kinda small for her age only weights around 40 pounds soaking weight..
and she can't hold em up and then of course the stock is to long for her to even hold em right to fire in the first place... I might wanna consider this as an option should i find a .32 or even .36 that is cheap enough to get and do something like this too. maybe even build one from scratch I have always wanted to cut and shape my own rifle stock as i have a knack for working with wood or so i am told ..
I'll tell you what I did with my littlest one and also the little ones that want to shoot as well when we go out...load one as light as possible, the smallest you have, and tuck it under her arm. Then you hold the barrel up with a finger, and let her pull the trigger. Then build her one that will fit her. Several good builders here to help you out. When she outgrows it, you wait until you get another little one in the family and teach them with it. Make it an heirloom. Just do something to keep her interested.
Quote from: Roaring Bull on June 26, 2009, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: ThunderHeart on June 26, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Thats a cool little rifle you made yourself I have but one question How well does she shoot now still as accurate as it was ?
You see i have three young daughters the youngest one is beggin me to let her shoot my rifles (the two older girls hunt and shoot alread).... But they dang near weight as much as she does she is six but kinda small for her age only weights around 40 pounds soaking weight..
and she can't hold em up and then of course the stock is to long for her to even hold em right to fire in the first place... I might wanna consider this as an option should i find a .32 or even .36 that is cheap enough to get and do something like this too. maybe even build one from scratch I have always wanted to cut and shape my own rifle stock as i have a knack for working with wood or so i am told ..
I'll tell you what I did with my littlest one and also the little ones that want to shoot as well when we go out...load one as light as possible, the smallest you have, and tuck it under her arm. Then you hold the barrel up with a finger, and let her pull the trigger. Then build her one that will fit her. Several good builders here to help you out. When she outgrows it, you wait until you get another little one in the family and teach them with it. Make it an heirloom. Just do something to keep her interested.
thmbsup
How about something like a C.W. type carbine sling that is just a loop of sling with both ends attached to the same point on the rifle.
Quote from: Doug on July 14, 2009, 01:37:48 PM
How about something like a C.W. type carbine sling that is just a loop of sling with both ends attached to the same point on the rifle.
????? Photo?
Let me check my books for pictures and I will get back to you.
Quote from: Dryball on June 26, 2009, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: Micanopy on June 26, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
Wellll..............
ok, no I is scared to death about that. Maybeso I better just sweat a blade on it? Would that work? Maybe one of them turtle ones?
Now your scaring me! Heat on a barrel always bothered me...and the closer to my face it affects the barrel...the scarier! That tube we call a barrel has a lot of pressure in it when it goes boom...and heat can affect temper. I prefer dovetailng, although if you know what your doing then I guess your way is safe.
Dennis
Think about this ................ on double barrel shotguns that are pitted beyond use theres a process where the barrels are cut off in front of hinge and bored out to accept new barrels to be inserted with just enough clearance to allow sweat soldering in place . they are turned down to same dimentions as originals and after refinished are unnoticable as being replaced.
Also low pressure centerfire barrels are sleeved with new rifled sleeves and soldered in place .The temperature of soldering has no ill affect on the strength of barrels.But it can make old dbl barrel shotguns fall apart without precautions .
What bothers me with heat is when making matchlocks people silver soldering the pan to barrel as that requires a cherry red heat which to me is pushing the envelope !
Oh ......I like yer little " blanket gun" Dennis :)
Still catchin up on ma readin...
Just a noose of rope fer over the shoulder, or bigger noose an yer could trow hit over yer head n shoulder like yer bag.
second thought would be sumtin like Steve McQueen usta use fer his cut down Winchester '86. He had a way o rockin it out by move in the grip back n down an the muzzle would swing up n forwords. maybe ifin youse googled ya might find a pohto of the rig.
this should work ,but tou`ll have to modify the gun by mounting a ring on it to attach the sling !