Shall we continue these photos of what not to do...or shall we end it now? All I need is a vote of "continue" or "stop"
DB
i say continue. But in saying that there is a big difference in constructive criticism and poking fun, as long as its not insulting i say go for it but people its hard tell tone of a comment when its typed.
What 2506 said.
On another note...might get more responses from a poll.
Do you mean as in.... "what's wrong with this photo".... thing ??
If so, I vote for continuing...
I know absolutely 'squat' of what is correct or not..
I enjoy them...it's a "valuable learning experience" for me...(How's that for PC verbage? :-& )
Continue. They are very educational.
Rick
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i say continue, i don't know squat about being period correct dress, but at least i might get to spot a timex every so often... maybe even a work boot...
now, what weapon was used and if it is period correct, different story.
saw a western on tv yesterday, Audie Murphy playing Jesie James, riding with Quantrill, during the civil war, one guy had a 1875 remington, (yes the funny trimed web) and all shot SAA 1873 or later, and trap door springfields.
not one front stuffer, no cap & Ball , and no henry's
I know its hollyweird, but come on...
Stop it as it's currently being used and find a different way to achieve the same end.
This whole discussion has revealed and eye-opening aspect to me...I do think it is wrong to use photos of real people, as a target for discussion on the wide open Internet.
There has to be other ways to approach this and still devise a learning vehicle, but IMO, not with a real, unsuspecting individual as the centerpiece.
thmbsup
continue, i have enjoyed them immensely!
maybe members should submit their own photos, thus giving there own consent and it will then help them change their own persona.
i agreew with round ball, and 2506, self submitted photos, or submitted with permission, i know i would be very upset if i was checking out a new website and found MY photo there of what i thought was my best persona, and it was being picked apart.
Kinda like finding your daughter on the cover of an adult magazine...
Stop.... Don't use photos of real people unless they know what's going to be done with the photo and give you written consent. You can download photo release forms on line. I think you might have opened yourself up for trouble by posting a photo of a real person unless you had permission from that person. I think it would be wise to delete the whole thread. My 2ยข
Okay then...do we have any volunteers? Is anyone willing to have there photo up here to be checked for mistakes and what needs to be done to they're outfit to improve it?
DB
as soon as i get one that im pleased with i will gladly upload mine. if i was to load mine up i would be the biggest critic. and the only one i have so far is me just dressing up for a church gathering. with a modern belt, a felt fedora, my first cheap suede bag (cause i hadn't got that beautiful bag from pathfinder) a $15 horn from bass pro and what not but hey i will do it anyway. ned i know if i try to post this pic it wont work so i will let you do it for me i will send it to you in a pm
Be proud to post your photo, mi amigo.
DB
" kinda like finding a picture of your daughter on the cover of an adult magazine". Never looked at it like that but he has a point. I would hate to stumble across a picture of myself on the internet in a topic "What is wrong with this picture". Would be even worse if I truly believed I was period correct and was mistaken or misinformed. Not against this topic just maybe should not use real pictures of people without their consent. A lot of good points brought up here, we should use them to find a way to continue without creating a liability.
Your correct....get in costume and let's see how you look.
DB
i can't criticize much, my period dress is at this time, a pair of plain cloth brown pants, a flanel shirt, a home made shooting bag made from a carpet baggers cloth, a hand knotted leather laced strap for the bag.
i always shot from a flask since i started with revolvers, so i am familiar with that, and it is in the bag, so no horn.
I do have the card woven strap i won in the last give away, i could use as a belt, since i don't use a horn to hang from it. and the strap is too nice to hang my bag from it...
So i look at the pictures and read your more experienced comments, to learn what i CAN use to improve my appearance, (other than losing weight)
My persona??
I came from the future, some poor soul saw me appear, died from a heart attack, i took his gun and bag, he was a lot skinnier & shorter than me, so nothing of his fit....
Photo! Photo!
If you are going to continue doing this, with the person's consent, you might want to just do one person at a time. You also might want to have the person that you are working on let you know what era he would like to portray. However the person might be like me, not really know what I'm supposed to look like. Just want to look acceptable at a Rondy or other function.
I vote yes to continue, but have to agree with everyone about the liability...
I will volunteer my picture as soon as i kin get a basic outfit together and go from there.. As others have said I am still learning and do find this thread educational.
Looking forward to your photo JJ.
DB
Quote from: Ironwood on April 20, 2009, 11:09:47 AM
You also might want to have the person that you are working on let you know what era he would like to portray.
this is a great idea!
and yes there will be a pic of me up today
I will also contribute a vote to Use members photos ; or even documented drawings or paintings, if they wish, but would also like to add don't blow them out of the water with remarks about using modern reproduction firearms of any kind.
I have been extremely lucky in being able build my own, close to, 100% correct firearm for my persona in 1820
Please add who you are and the time period. Not all of us are rocky mountain fur trappers
My persona has a long and storied past that originated in Holland in 1765 and is now in North Mississippi in 1820 and is a tired old man of 55 now.
Continue ... Use art prints only! Or by personal permission!
Gene and DryBalls trek has been pretty picked apart lately..final results of the 'advice' has been pretty darned good.
Doug
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I say continue.
As for the pics, Ya dont want none of me on here. As ugly as I is , ya would have members droppin out from disgust or with some even fear. Theres a few pics of me around but the best one is one the sister site--muzzleloading life--in giveaways. Besides, I have a hard time trying to figure out how to put pics on here.
Voy
Where you want it?
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Quote from: voyageur1688 on September 17, 2009, 12:57:34 AM
I say continue.
As for the pics, Ya dont want none of me on here. As ugly as I is , ya would have members droppin out from disgust or with some even fear. Theres a few pics of me around but the best one is one the sister site--muzzleloading life--in giveaways. Besides, I have a hard time trying to figure out how to put pics on here.
Voy
Voy there is nothing wrong with this picture! You make one fine looking historical figure....
Wang on the knife sheath is interesting. Any comfort issues going through the woods?
ps. I also vote continue,I'll look fer some digital photo's of myself fer critique.
Okay, looks like most of you are in favor of continuing using volunteers...so who's gonna be first?
DB
I've already posted, but have acquired some more stuff so i suppose i'll have to put up another one soon.... When it stops raining i'll clean up an area, put up the camp and get some pictures
A fearless volunteer! Lookie folks...one of our own has guts! Woohoo! thmbsup
DB
DB,
Howd ya do that? I think it'd be good as the pic for my profile. Thanks.
As for the knife sheath, I just didnt get it moved before the pic was taken. yeah it can cause a bit a discomfort if it dont git moved, or if somethin aint moved ta da other leg.
As for the other items in the pic, with the exception of the rifle, almost all items were made by me, including items in the background, and the pipe (which is made of sacred Basswood Lake Pipestone, which is blackish green rather than red). I have since learned how to make other nicer things and have been using them more often, but go with the old standbys from time to time.
Voy
Voy,
I think it looks purty good. Great grandmama would have walked up to ya 'n' gabbed away. L'anglais was a second language 'n' from what ma maman sed not much of a one. She could speak it some but could only read le francais.
I speak a bit o francais, and am now starting on ojibwe.
Thanks for the compliments. After readin them, it make me tink me great, great, great, great, great, great, great grand daddy would be proud.
Voy
Catchin up on some readin.
Voy ya look like a Leprechaun... where's the pot-o-gold. I hain't takin me eye offn u till ye tell.
hankaye
Voy, all looks well from my perspective course I dont wear my glasses like I should ROFL!!! Naw just kidding you definately look to be the frenchy !!!!!
Please contienue how else will us new commers to this will learn.
As to me I have no closes or fixens.
Hankaye,
Da golt don bin hit away-ya nefer gonna fynt it.
AKA,
Does the frenchy show that much? If ya look close at my face ya may see a bit of somethin else there--but ya gotta look close. Can ya figure out what it is?
Voy
Dont know for sure Voy but I'd say possibly some native blood or Italian?? Just dont know ???
Havin spent a few years in the Central Med. area If'n the French bit comes originally from Southern France, then there would be some Greek, Italian, Phonecian, and a smidge of Arab. Ifn ya hadn't had yer nose broke a time er mebe 2 it would make it easier.
How'm I doin?
OH, Yea ...
Keep it goin
almost forgot ta vote Of course with the subject's permission/knowledge
The french part comes from norther france. But there is some greek, turk, and some native blood in the line. So ya'll are doin pretty good. Yeah, the nose does have a bit of a bend in it dont it?
Voy
if the catogory is to help members with their persona-all well and good, if it is just to show off your keen eyesight then?? There are those of us or at least me that really need help to define who and how to present ourselves in correct manner. We make the best of what we can and work to improve,( money talks) and you do not acquire the PROPER period correct overnight, don't care how creative you are and repeated (BS walks old saying) nit-pickin does nothing but dampen at least my desire to go out and meet new friend and have fun. So guess this is a no count vote.
Bulldog Lady,
No ill intent was meant with this. I know that being all period correct does not come fast or easy. I have a long way to go myself, and know there are many things I still need to work on. As for money, I also know it is not cheap to do this, and believe me, more of my gear is either home made, scrounged or swapped for--as I am pretty well broke most of the time, and the rest of the time I am totally broke and am scrambling to get the money to pay my bills and put food on the table, and sometimes I have to choose between the 2. Things are slowing down for me for work here real soon and I need to save every pennie I can for winter and hope I can make it at least half way through on it--but its not looking good for me this year.
However on the part of keen eyesight, sometimes you can look closely at a picture and find things that need improving or you may find something that you like and would like to add to your gear. To everyone, I say, If there is something in my pic that needs work, please let me know.
Voy
Voy points well made-I too know what difference between cold or woodfire(depends if Jim gets off muzzleloader to go cut some) devel
And yes I do look at photos and try and glean what I can, Guess this is just such a new and interesting period in my life want to do it all, correct or not, as don't figure gonna get to do it again, anyways real soon! srndr keep up good work guys/gals, learning a lot. bulldog lady
Keep going
Di
To be strictly correct is a learning experience and can dive you up a flipping wall. Here is the answer I gave another person.
You want to know or to let some know was an item available in a cretin time period, but was it also available in a cretin geographical location?
To be strictly correct, this has to be considered. The problem with that is we are finding that just because some thing is not mentioned in documentations or showed in early painting, dose not mean that is was not there.
So if a person asks was item X available. We should say yes/no, If yes then we should tell them if it was available or not in a cretin geographical location according to the documentations we have available.
Harry makes sense esp after incident you related to this afternoon- so just gonna wear my britches, my leather shirt and anything else i can make and find that some where in my time frame was available- thanks Di