I think I've posted my share of gun topics so how about some one else coming up with a good, interesting thread on guns. It doesn't actually have to be a "favorite" anything, just a good thread so we can discuss GUNS! Something with pics, maybe. Let's talk about cap/flint/smooth/rifle/matchlock/etc.
Maybe someone can help me figure out why Flintlocks are just so much more fun than all the others?
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Here's Tigerlilly without the browning. Barricade over white.
Quote from: mtnmike on April 16, 2015, 10:02:11 PM
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Here's Tigerlilly without the browning. Barricade over white.
Never thought they were. I always found them to be a colossal PITA!
??????????? PITA? Are you responding to me or drago9900? Don't understand noway
slap Dogshirt has no patience when it concerns shooting a Flintlock. He had posted a couple of years ago that he got hold of a Flintlock and it gave him mega troubles, pnic as far as consistent ignition, compared to his percussion guns. Now he only uses a Flintlock barrel for tightening fences, or so he says. And I always thought the Norwegians were very patient people, apparently does not apply to all Norwegians.
Need to careful with what is said, or that Mangy dog will start nipping at our heels. blah ROFL strpot
Finished a little smoothbore this winter that I plan to take into the domain of the local turkeys in a week or two. I don't worry about PC/HC, I build what I like. This is a 1/2 stock with a plain grain maple stock, pewter nose cap and home made hardware, brass. The lock is a large Siler and the barrel started life as a straight 1" octagon smoothbore in 2o ga. Turned the barrel octagon to tapered round and left a small cannon muzzle on it. Outside of the brass, I aged the barrel. Can't post but will send pics to someone who can.
Mark
Here are 3 longrifle's that I built with original wrought iron barrels. They are all small bores, two 32 caliber and one a 29 caliber. Sold two of em and kept one of the 32's for myself. I find that my fascination with flintlocks must come from some cloudy corner of my left brain. I can never seem to just get over all of the fun it is to make a rifle go boom from a sparking rock lock! (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e279/Captjoel/BuiltbyJoel012.jpg) (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e279/Captjoel/BuiltbyJoel019.jpg)
I'm building a Committee of Safety musket. These guns were manufactured by the colonies for Rev War service. Unfortunately, not many survived. Each colony had an approved pattern to follow which varied slightly from colony to colony but mostly mimicked the Brown Bess. Each one was responsible for their procurement or manufacture and were also responsible for proving and inspecting the guns. Barrels & locks were mostly only available through import so Virginia established an armory in Fredricsburg to make their own. They also made their "approved" pattern of musket and also repaired colonists guns.
This particular copy is somewhat similar to the Fredricburg pattern as we know it. It has a 1.375" at breech tapered round by 48" long barrel and it's a .75 caliber bore, The lock marked "Fred g - 1776", the bayonet also marked "Fred g - 1776", a cherry stock, Reeves Gohring Hudson Valley butt plate, Bess ramrod pipes, and an English fowler type trigger guard. I should have it finished by next week. It tips the scale right at 9 lbs right now (without bayonet) so it should finish at about 9 or 9 1/2 lbs which is just about right for a musket. These pictures are not up to date. I have the trigger in and the wrist shaped and started on the butt. I still have the trigger guard to mount and the ramrod pipes to mount.
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Quote from: drago9900 on April 16, 2015, 09:18:20 PM
Maybe someone can help me figure out why Flintlocks are just so much more fun than all the others?
It evolved that way; read your Darwin. chrrs
My favorites,
My Miss Muley
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/metalshaper/MM4.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/metalshaper/media/MM4.jpg.html)
and my Banded, DS trigger Underhammer
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/metalshaper/Double%20Set%20Underhammer/PA310402.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/metalshaper/media/Double%20Set%20Underhammer/PA310402.jpg.html)
Respect Always
Metalshaper/Jonathan
Jonathan,
How about some info on the underhammer DS triggers. A supplier, tutorial or other.
Mark
Papa/Mark,
the double set triggers were admittedly an ego thing on my part. rdfce I was at a shoot with some guys and the topic of
my building underhammers came up.. they went back and forth on what they thought about my work, and I listened and tried to take the good with the bad.. Figured I'd learn what other people thought and take what I could to make the next build Better? One fella, I think half jokingly said " Well, it's too bad you could figure out how to make one with double set triggers!" Where upon the local "Expert" in the group ( having never built ANY UH lock ) decided to go on about a 30 minute dissertation on why it was impossible to do.. and then in his best condescending tone told me " Don't feel bad about it, better men than you couldn't make one work!"
SO, the rifle you see in the picture, is my answer! blah I also had to the fit the entire 'working bits' into about 3.25-3.375" of space up in the frame.. I actually need to remake them, as the last time I had them out I managed to crack the plate in the set trigger's pin area. < didn't realize I had created a weak spot >This was also my prototype and I think some redesign of the works and mainspring may be in order? Honestly, the type of action I based this off of, and most Underhammers in general, do not really need a set trigger? if properly done, they usually have a pretty sweet trigger release.
When I get around to the redesign/Rebuild? I'll take some pics..
Respects Always
Metalshaper/Jonathan
Jonathan,
Thanks for the reply. I realize that "most" UH's do have fairly good trigger pulls but I am shooting a couple in the new table matches and want to try to improve it a little more. I have stoned, dressed and tried everything I know and improved the pull some, but if I can get a little more it should shrink my string that much more. Please keep me in mind if you do any more.
Mark
an old topic, but always relevant. i'd like to add in what's become my fave flintlock, a 24ga smoothie built by keb ....
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I found an Ohio Style rifle in walnut. It was built by by James Tawney of upper New York State. Barrel: Cal .45, a very heavy 15/16 diam 32" long, with 7 lands and grooves, by ED Rayle
The Barrel and Lock are in the white, with a patina developed. The wood is either claro or Bastogne walnut with a sunburst grain in the buttstock. The rifle is trimmed in nickel silver. The rifle points comfortably with 1/4-1/2" ish of offset.
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The lock is labeled DGW, which I suppose is Dixie Gun Works and the trigger mechanism is labeled "roller 83." If was found at an estate sale and was in unfinished condition. It was finished in recent years. Then, I saw it and could not pass it up.
Ron
beautiful rifle ! reminds me of an original english sporting rifle I owned back in the 80`s, same basic pattern ! if it shoots as good as it looks you have a real prize there ! thmbsup
Quote from: beowulf on November 25, 2015, 01:14:56 PM
beautiful rifle ! reminds me of an original english sporting rifle I owned back in the 80`s, same basic pattern ! if it shoots as good as it looks you have a real prize there ! thmbsup
A previous owner won some competitions with it. My almost 69 year old eyes and cataracts play havoc with my seeing the sights and using the buckhorn rear sight well, but I was able to shoot this target at 50 yards with my elbows resting on a shooting table. I originally was told that it was a Vincent style rifle, but further research suggests it is more of an Ohio. That is why the target is labeled "Vincent":
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The scatter is due to me, not to the rifle!
Ron
OK, now your just showing off! ROFL That is impressive shooting for anyone I know, regardless of age and eyesight.
Quote from: RonRC on November 25, 2015, 04:31:57 AM
I found an Ohio Style rifle in walnut. It was built by by James Tawney of upper New York State. Barrel: Cal .45, a very heavy 15/16 diam 32" long, with 7 lands and grooves, by ED Rayle
The Barrel and Lock are in the white, with a patina developed. The wood is either claro or Bastogne walnut with a sunburst grain in the buttstock. The rifle is trimmed in nickel silver. The rifle points comfortably with 1/4-1/2" ish of offset.
The lock is labeled DGW, which I suppose is Dixie Gun Works and the trigger mechanism is labeled "roller 83." If was found at an estate sale and was in unfinished condition. It was finished in recent years. Then, I saw it and could not pass it up.
Ron
That is beautiful wood. The aged nickel and patina in the white really set it off. Awesome rifle. Nice shooting as well! I'd say that is a score for a find Ron.
Very nice.
That rifle is gorgeous, Ron; being a .45 it should make a fine deer rifle. And don't worry about cataracts; I do just fine shooting by sense of smell and sometimes just by sound. Works fine but just don't go hunting with me. bunkr
Wish I could say I shot that target freehand.
The cataracts are a very convenient excuse when I don't shoot well. Once I have them fixed, what excuse will I have?
I hope Hanshi will teach me the smell method! What if the person I am hunting with covers himself with the elk urine odor? THAT would be risky.
Ron
After cataract surgery I used age and arthritis as excuses,fellow club members just laughed.
Don't make any excuses, do like I do, just out shoot the pups.
Quote from: metalshaper on April 20, 2015, 01:56:07 AM
Papa/Mark,
the double set triggers were admittedly an ego thing on my part. rdfce I was at a shoot with some guys and the topic of
my building underhammers came up.. they went back and forth on what they thought about my work, and I listened and tried to take the good with the bad.. Figured I'd learn what other people thought and take what I could to make the next build Better? One fella, I think half jokingly said " Well, it's too bad you could figure out how to make one with double set triggers!" Where upon the local "Expert" in the group ( having never built ANY UH lock ) decided to go on about a 30 minute dissertation on why it was impossible to do.. and then in his best condescending tone told me " Don't feel bad about it, better men than you couldn't make one work!"
SO, the rifle you see in the picture, is my answer! blah I also had to the fit the entire 'working bits' into about 3.25-3.375" of space up in the frame.. I actually need to remake them, as the last time I had them out I managed to crack the plate in the set trigger's pin area. < didn't realize I had created a weak spot >This was also my prototype and I think some redesign of the works and mainspring may be in order? Honestly, the type of action I based this off of, and most Underhammers in general, do not really need a set trigger? if properly done, they usually have a pretty sweet trigger release.
When I get around to the redesign/Rebuild? I'll take some pics..
Respects Always
Metalshaper/Jonathan
like that underhammer , found a photo of something interesting and wondered if you`ve ever built one !
Beowulf, that looks plain weird, to me; interesting, but weird. strpot
I`ve seen pistols like it , but they are rare compared to percussion models
Ron,
In your post about thinking it was a Vincent style but it is an Ohio style, remember,, the Vincent's were very prolific gunmakers in Washington County, OHIO.
MARK
I knew nothing about the Vincent rifles, so I did the usual internet searching. None of the photos I found looked anything like this rifle. Using a non-expert eye, I identified some Ohio rifles that had the same, general conformation. So, my statement of it being an Ohio rifle was just a guess. Any other opinions are welcome.
Ron
Ron, I'd call it a very well built half stock plains rifle. Could represent an Ohio gun or many built in the mid west or even New York State. She's a beaut and you have come a long way pilgrim!
I am afraid that the muzzle loader bug bit me hard late in life. I must have been 64 or 65 when I really started. Now, plains, Hawken, flintlocks rifles and Kentucky pistols can be seen on every available space in my home office/man's cave. Many newfangled, modern cartridge guns have left my house, being sold or traded to buy front stuffers. My primary physician says that there is no remedy or vaccine for this disease.
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Since the long rifles don't fit in my safe, I put in a steel bar door at the top of the stairs at the entry to my downstairs office to help secure the firearm collection. I put in a steel frame attached to studs with 3 1/2 inch lag bolts. The door itself has 2 locks and an alarm.
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A professional could get through, I am sure, but it would take time, something a thieving Goblin doesn't want to deal with.
Ron
Those are definitely some beautiful pieces you got there. Congrats!
I am not sure this what you had in mind. but here it is
http://www.11thpa.org/neumann.html
(susp) Wow Ron that is one drool worthy collection bub.......
Quote from: metalshaper on April 18, 2015, 08:13:12 PM
My favorites,
My Miss Muley
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/metalshaper/MM4.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/metalshaper/media/MM4.jpg.html)
and my Banded, DS trigger Underhammer
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/metalshaper/Double%20Set%20Underhammer/PA310402.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/metalshaper/media/Double%20Set%20Underhammer/PA310402.jpg.html)
Respect Always
A little late to the party but.....WOW!!! Very nice indeed!!!!!! I'm a sucker for anything out of the ordinary. Beautifully different "Guns"! PS...Miss Muley is a heartthrob. rdfce
Metalshaper/Jonathan
Those are unique and really cool!
Nobody said anything about the ray gun sitting on the shelf to the right. ;D
Also, the light colored flintlock the second one down from the top in the first photo and the 4th down from the top in the second photo is the same flintlock.
Ron
Okay, not a rifle but still a good, fun gun I enjoyed for a few years. I think our "All Powerful Potentate", who uses a weasel as his display name, still has this little guy in his underground arsenal right next to his heavy machine guns and rocket launchers.
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How long are the barrels on that scattergun, Mr. Hanshi?
Ron
It's a Pedersoli "coach gun" and the barrels, IIRC, are 20" or 22". I hated to let it go, by the way.
The only reason I let it go was to have a flint smoothbore built; it's the one under my signature and it's one good shooter. hntr
I have been enjoying all of the eye candy in this thread! dntn
One of my favorite rifle's is this 50 caliber oct to round barrel gun that I built several years ago. At first I planned to make a Germanic type hunting rifle but as the build progressed I did a bit of modifying to at least be a bit more "Americanized". I also needed a good place to hang this Chambers large Siler lock. All of the brass mounts came from Track of the Wolf and the barrel was made by Mark DeHass out of Missouri. Triggers are Davis Germanic type. I kept the sling swivel set up on the forestock and a button attachment in the lower butt and never regretted the convenience of the sling for hands free stompin' through the thick woods.
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Sorry. Having trouble getting it to upload. srndr
The investarms hawkin would have to be my fav with the fusil a close second
Quote from: Hanshi on January 14, 2017, 10:01:29 PM
It's a Pedersoli "coach gun" and the barrels, IIRC, are 20" or 22". I hated to let it go, by the way.
But I am sooo glad you did! I use it every year! :mini-devil-28492:
Quote from: pilgrim on April 17, 2015, 02:08:48 AM
slap Dogshirt has no patience when it concerns shooting a Flintlock. He had posted a couple of years ago that he got hold of a Flintlock and it gave him mega troubles, pnic as far as consistent ignition, compared to his percussion guns. Now he only uses a Flintlock barrel for tightening fences, or so he says. And I always thought the Norwegians were very patient people, apparently does not apply to all Norwegians.
Need to careful with what is said, or that Mangy dog will start nipping at our heels. blah ROFL strpot
There is a plethora of evidence contrary to dogshirt's opinion. A one time experience with an unknown lock does NOT negate that gargantuan amount of historical and contemporary experience. Comparing a crappy flintlock w a soft frizzen, sawn flint, weak springs, dragging moving parts and a touch hole that is too small to a well tuned flintlock is analogous to driving a poorly running 30 year old pickup with a bad clutch and 2 cylinders not firing and saying pickups are a pain in the ass and no good.
Don't confuse him with facts, his mind is made up.
TC