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Title: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Lucky Buckeye on March 15, 2014
These parts were all bought from P R. The stock has some nice curl for a CM3. I already had the TOW 20ga barrel and was pleased to find it is a match to the chanelling and quite snug. Lock is Queen Anne. Now all I need is a dump truck to empty my work bench into :qz:
Time to get started
(http://i57.tinypic.com/al66tc.jpg)
Curl in the fore
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2ldjpe.jpg)
Curl on the top
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2nbc9b5.jpg)

Sort of tricky getting curl to show up in a photo but I am happy with this  wood. As you can see, no inleting  other than the barrel and ram channels. The barrel already had everything installed not worth taking a chance on any of those alignments. 



Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Tim Ault on March 15, 2014
Looks like it will be a dandy thmbsup cant wait to see your progress on it.

Tim
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Hanshi on March 15, 2014
That does appear to be a very fine piece of maple.  I learned to love these early American fowlers when I got mine several years ago.  Keep us posted with pics and details.
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Lucky Buckeye on March 16, 2014
One thing I am unsure of is the reason there is a 1/2" square platform on the heel (upper rear end) of the butt plate. Does it serve a purpose or is it where the sprue was cut off?
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Tim Ault on March 16, 2014
It's the casting sprue be my guess
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: woody on March 16, 2014
Looks like a great project , love those smoothbores.  wtch
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: mongrel on March 17, 2014
The extra metal on the buttplate is a casting sprue. So are the tabs used to pin the guard into the stock, but, unlike the sprue on the buttplate, they're where they are for a reason.

Pecatonica is like most suppliers (thankfully) -- if there's even the slightest doubt as to the proper grade of one of their stocks, they grade it low. This means the buyer is liable to end up with more than he expected when his wood arrives. Overall we're lucky in this pastime, so far as the integrity of our suppliers, large outfits and small alike. I'm on the same row, just down a bit, from Dick Greensides (owner of Pecatonica), at the NMLRA Shoots, and I can vouch that he's good people.
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Lucky Buckeye on March 18, 2014
I was surprized to see what little there is left to do to the stock. I figured it would be rougher in surface and shape but it needs very little fitting except for inletting the lock and trigger set. Mr Greenwood also thought it best to not do it since the T Hole was already installed. 
  If I mount the trigger guard with screws instead of pins will it be seen as a rush job or not "PC" ? I can't tell from pics of completed guns  wheather or not screws can be used. I may be committed to pins since the ram spools use them. These few questions I have not been able to find an answer to. Most say make what you want but I prefer to remain close to "PC" if I can. "PR" sent both so maybe it is only a choice  rather than the "code".
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: woody on March 18, 2014
Either pins or screws would be correct. Lots of photos out there with screws, especially on American fowlers. My copy of "Flintlock Fowlers, the First Guns Made in America"  shows lots with screws. 
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Tim Ault on March 18, 2014
If you do use screws on the TG pay close mind to where you put the one in front of the bow keep it far enough back to not go up into the ram rod hole .

Tim
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: olflint on March 18, 2014
 wtch
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: woody on March 18, 2014
Quote from: Tim Ault on March 18, 2014
If you do use screws on the TG pay close mind to where you put the one in front of the bow keep it far enough back to not go up into the ram rod hole .

Tim

Tim is right and I misread your post, for some reason I thought you where talking about the top of the butt plate  hdslp, though screws were used on trigger guards, most were pinned on the front and screws were on the rear or pinned. Sorry for the confusion.  rdfce
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Lucky Buckeye on March 19, 2014
Excellent news on that Woody and Tim. I have no picture books yet and Google pics are showing me few to no views from the bottom
side of their examples. I prefer screws to pins. The fewer holes in the sides of the stock the better for what I want in the end.  My last decision is the blue, black or brown finish. Read the other day that one method was using saltpeter (I assume that is potasium-nitrate).
No telling what all they tried on gun metals back then. More than likely the closer to the coast the more standardized the finishes were.
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Lucky Buckeye on March 24, 2014
Dangit. I still haven't got all the junk moved off the work bench I want to use to assemble this thing. Too much company for Spring Break!
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Tim Ault on March 24, 2014
Quote from: Lucky Buckeye on March 19, 2014
  My last decision is the blue, black or brown thing. read the other day that one method was using saltpeter (I assume that is potasium-nitrate).
No telling what all they tried on gun metals back then. More than likely the closer to the coast the more standardized the finishes were.
Orrrrrr you could polish the steel up and leave it in the white.  I really liked the way my rifle/ barrel looked in the stock before I browned it . actually I just ordered a 24 ga smoothbore barrel tonight for my next project and plan on leaving it in the white,Sure it requires a little extra care but I dont neglect my rifles and if I grow tired of it I can always brown it later .
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: rmatt on March 25, 2014
Nice piece of wood. Did you have to wait long for it or was it in stock?
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Lucky Buckeye on March 28, 2014
I waited about a week and a half. They had to cut it which I think is good. Didn't have time to warp due to weather changes. Someone told me that they make the stocks for TOW as well. I was pleased with it. Will need little sanding.
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Lucky Buckeye on March 28, 2014
Quote from: Tim Ault on March 24, 2014
Quote from: Lucky Buckeye on March 19, 2014
  My last decision is the blue, black or brown thing. read the other day that one method was using saltpeter (I assume that is potasium-nitrate).
No telling what all they tried on gun metals back then. More than likely the closer to the coast the more standardized the finishes were.
Orrrrrr you could polish the steel up and leave it in the white.  I really liked the way my rifle/ barrel looked in the stock before I browned it . actually I just ordered a 24 ga smoothbore barrel tonight for my next project and plan on leaving it in the white,Sure it requires a little extra care but I dont neglect my rifles and if I grow tired of it I can always brown it later .
......excellent point Tim. I suppose that would require getting all the steel looking the same surface-wise. My side plate, lock and TG have the cast look. Wood you media blast the barrel and spools to match the TG or semi-mirror finish everything for the White look?
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Tim Ault on March 29, 2014
I would polish up the barrel and lock  and leave in the white not like a mirror thought  and brown the TG and other trim pieces. IMO it will provide a nice contrast with the darker wood  . I'm no historian but I do believe alot of locks and barrels were left in the white on  some original guns .
Title: Re: Starting my American Fowler
Post by: Lucky Buckeye on April 17, 2014
I can't seem to get a break. Wrecked my car the other day so now I am ordering parts and doing body work. Haven't been able to touch any of the fun stuff.  hdslp