Well, if you're in Indiana this is good deal, more or less. They have a design on the stocks, and probably would need some work with steel wool and true oil, but the price is right at $175. Unfortunately for me, they are about 4 hours away during a period where I haven't the purchase price or the Gas money!!!! But somebody might be able to do something.
Here's the link to Arms list, for those interested: http://www.armslist.com/posts/1910302/indianiapolis-indiana-muzzle-loaders-for-sale--cva-plainsman-limited-edition-pa
They have pics.
Not with a rock.
Granted, they are percussion with a synthetic stock, but they are the same rifles and I have bought 4 of them at a local show and never paid more than $50-60. They're a decent spare rifle or good for the kids to learn on but they sure aren't a $175 rifle by a long shot.
Mark
blew up the photos for a better look , they are flintlocks !
I looked real close at these, they are flintlocks, and they have wood stocks...I'm not sure y'allsaw the same pics.
They look like CVA Bobcats with wood stocks. Flint or not.
Mark
Basically they ARE Bobcats with wood stocks, with flint ignition. And the Bobcat/Plainsman rifles are the same critters as the Traditions Deerhunter -- same manufacturer in Ardesa, Spain, interchangeable barrels and lock parts -- same critters. And the wood-stocked flintlock Deerhunter, retail through Traditions, is $355, meaning that $175 for the CVA version isn't a bad deal at all.
Not everyone has access to (or necessarily the desire to visit) shows where the synthetic-stocked percussion Bobcats are found for well under $100, and in fact I'm at the end of the nine-day NMLRA Shoots where between the NMLRA Commercial Row and two attached flea markets I never saw a black-stocked percussion Bobcat in even remotely decent shape for under $125. Wood stocks and flint ignition AND being brand-new rifles are all factors that up the price, and the guns are available now, in real time, to anyone who wants one. Anyone thinking it isn't such a good deal can certainly pass on acquiring one of them, but it doesn't seem to me that someone buying one of these rifles would be getting screwed by having paid slightly less than half of Traditions' MSRP.
I agree Mongrel. [conf]