http://www.crazycrow.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CCTP&Product_Code=4610-031-1&Category_Code=752-100-000 these look just like regular blue jeans so if i have a shirt that goes to my knees can i get by with blue jeans
I know out here they frown strongly on blue jeans. Regular canvas colored denim, they don't say a word.Don't know how they feel about it going back east from here.
Look around and you will find that blue denim was common in the period. Although the trousers were not cut in the fashion they are today. So no, modern jeans would not cut it. I dont know how many guys wore blue denim when they left for the west. I am sure some did. But like with other pieces of fabric clothing it did not last a full season in the rigors of the mountains. Besides, cotton is cold. Wet cotton is even colder. Wool will keep you warm wet or dry.
I would say if you wanted "blue jeans" find your self a good drop front trousers pattern and a couple yards of hemp denim. Hemp denim was more common than cotton denim. I recently purchased 4 yards of indigo hemp denim for $36 online.
click on the link.
This is the perfect pattern. I will warn you though. Sandras patterns are for a more expirenced person. But she will awnsers questions about the construction process via email.
http://www.pastpatterns.com/008.html
Here is the link to her website
http://www.pastpatterns.com/
Sandra at past patterns did at one time stock the hemp denim. I dont know if she still dose
Seen plenty of people out here wearing them under long shirts or coats. Specially if you don't have alot of money most people are just glad your involved in the sport. One pair I ALWAYS wear to rondy and HAVEN'T even had anyone question me is tan colored dickies or construction pants. My long shirt covers most of the pockets. I am outfitting 4 to 5 people all the time with a full setup and can't afford to buy 50 dollar pant's right now. I'm sure you can get by for awhile until you can afford them. Just tell anyone complaining" I make most my gear and I'm a Kid, how about you". The important thing to remember is have fun. thmbsup
I agree with Brokenhawk on that one. dntn Being out there is what is important. Sitting at home because your kit isn't perfect is just plain silly, whether you are a kid or not. It is only through enthusiasm that this sport/hobby can survive and that is not measured in dollars. Only enthusiasm will make you try to be as PC as you can afford. So do the best you can and get out there and have fun.
Quote from: Blackfeet on June 30, 2011, 04:16:38 PM
I agree with Brokenhawk on that one. dntn Being out there is what is important. Sitting at home because your kit isn't perfect is just plain silly, whether you are a kid or not. It is only through enthusiasm that this sport/hobby can survive and that is not measured in dollars. Only enthusiasm will make you try to be as PC as you can afford. So do the best you can and get out there and have fun.
Truer words have never been spoken I am one of the people that missed a Good time because I thought my kit wasn't good enough! hdslp
Then a friend showed me pictures of the event and I would have looked as good or better than 2/3 of the participants.
(A Tough lessen to learn but a good lesson anyway!) thmbsup
When I was a member of the SCA(If you need an explanation, PM me.) There was a split between the
Authentic People and the Fun People. While it is true that we all strive to be PC, having fun is the MAIN
thing!
I love to shoot and for years I simply did not go unless I was welcome in a modern shirt and a pair of jeans. I would go shoot on my own and that was just fine with me. Over the years I have gathered a full outfit that I usually wear when going to a match or Rondy, but I never asked anybody if my bluegrey Amish style broadfalls were correct or not. I just wear them and a big pullover shirt with a big hat and go join in on the fun. Now I have a lot of muzzleloader friends and am fairly well known in my area. If anyone complains about your outfit just tell them I don't have much money and I am working on it. If they keep talking to you they will figure out that you mean it. It will be fairly obvious to them that you are a young guy rather than an older guy like me and if they are smart they will change their way of talking and maybe give you a few tips about how to inexpensively improve the outfit. Most of the guys from the 1700-1800s didn't have a lot of money either.
I bet you will find that you already have as good an outfit as a lot of people that you run into because you are working at it and making what you can and trading for things.
I do not know about your area but here in the central plains states most of the events state right in the flyer's Primitive Dress Requested but NOT Required.
If some one give any guff about your kit, simply look then the eye say I am on a limited bu-get what do you suggest that I do to improve my kit.
If you are polite and ask most of these folks will try to give ideas the will not break the bank
Back to the original question....
I hate to say it but on close inspection those pants in the catalog do not look like the modern cut of most jeans as far as I can tell. So I would not wear modern jeans.... Now a pair of cotton duck painters pants sold at wal-mart for less than 15 bucks have been in my kit since I started and still get used if my drop fronts get to wet or dirty!
Quote from: Red Badger on July 01, 2011, 01:28:02 PM
Back to the original question....
I hate to say it but on close inspection those pants in the catalog do not look like the modern cut of most jeans as far as I can tell. So I would not wear modern jeans.... Now a pair of cotton duck painters pants sold at wal-mart for less than 15 bucks have been in my kit since I started and still get used if my drop fronts get to wet or dirty!
I never thought of that, are they white or colored? I bet they wouldn't be hard to stain.
Hey Red, I looked too. I think they look like straight leg jeans with no hem on the bottom from about the knees on down. I think Kris has a point, if you were to wear a LONG shirt that went to your knees, and you cut the hem off of a pair of straight leg jeans and washed them so they friz a little, unless somebody got out the magnifying glass and went up under the shirt, they'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Quote from: BrokenHawk on July 01, 2011, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: Red Badger on July 01, 2011, 01:28:02 PM
Back to the original question....
I hate to say it but on close inspection those pants in the catalog do not look like the modern cut of most jeans as far as I can tell. So I would not wear modern jeans.... Now a pair of cotton duck painters pants sold at wal-mart for less than 15 bucks have been in my kit since I started and still get used if my drop fronts get to wet or dirty!
I never thought of that, are they white or colored? I bet they wouldn't be hard to stain.
Mine started off as pure white but after mowing the yard and doing some chores in them and then washing then in cold water with no soap they are now a very nice shade of off white.... strpot
Rocky, you may be right...
I've been wearing some corduroy's for couple years now. They are big corduroy pattern. Not real skinny or thin . I also have drop front and another style. you'll figure it out. Wear whatcha got and have some fun. Don't let them keep you out looking in. Tell them when you have the money you'll get more stuff. Sometimes people forget how they got started in BP.We were all newbie's at sometime....
go with the painters pants. home depot/ wally world/value village. then clean your gun and cook in them for a rondy or 2 and you are on your way. great thing about rondy clothes is you don't need to wash often. these pants you ask about read GREY denim not blue so get some off colored pants and get out there. Jeremiah Johnson did not step off the boat with a mountain man kit. wore the cotton pants clean off as did many others in that time frame.
You generally can find painter's/work pants on clearance racks or in thrift stores, no more expensive and often somewhat cheaper than actual jeans. Not only do they fit in better at events, they can still be worn as reg'lar britches when you return to the 21st century. In fact if you do a lot of hard outdoor activity, wearing them while doing it will get them properly scuzzy. When I had time to hunt and camp I did a lot of that in my period clothing -- there was no arguing the authenticity of the blood, grime, sweat, woodsmoke, black powder residue, and God knows what else stained my clothes after a short time.
Another tip on your clothing -- when you wash it (if you MUST wash it), wash it in water only, no soap. This means washing it separate from everything else you own and also means it'll never be squeaky-clean like we prefer most of our clothing to be, but getting things TOO clean means running the risk of losing your hard-earned stains. Plus, even the faint scent of Mountain Rain detergent (or whatever flavor you happen to buy) and fabric softener just ain't PC.
And as far as PC goes, strive for it, but strive most of all to have fun. A few seem to forget that that's the highest priority. Feeling as though your outfit is part of an advanced school project, that you're going to be graded on, tends not to be fun. It's enjoyable (or should be) to know you've put a good outfit together, but unfortunately there are always going to be those to whom it'll never be good enough -- so always look to improve your clothing and gear but don't let things get so serious that it takes the fun out of it all. thmbsup
Back when we started the the Grouse Creek Muzzleloaders, we started with two
major rule 1. Be Safe 2. Have Fun
Have few member ship rules that are common for most clubs of any kind.Down at the bottom the last rule is all members will strive to become PC.
When some one ask about a dead line some old fool [me] said what dead line.
I have seen to many new folks quit because some nut was pushing the PC button
Just my 2 cents
Quote from: old salt on July 09, 2011, 04:12:31 AM
I have seen to many new folks quit because some nut was pushing the PC button
Just my 2 cents
Yep. Given the attitude of some of the really hardcore purists, you get the idea they want this pasttime to consist of maybe three or four guys, sitting around criticizing one another's thread counts and wondering why no one else seems to want to join in on the "fun". There are events that are justified in requiring absolute authenticity, but by and large if an honest effort is being made to fit in and improve one's outfit the attitude should be one of including, rather than excluding.
Not to go off on a tangent, but I've always found it amusing that the majority of the most unpleasant thread counters (in my experience anyhow) have been of what we might call a grandfatherly age. The reason I find this amusing is that, in order to be strictly PC and adhere to "commonality", in a longhunter or mountain man setting most of those uber-purists shouldn't be allowed to participate, on the very real historical grounds that back in the day most of them would have been dead. Somehow, though, that's a point of historical correctness they aren't willing to adhere to.... [hmm] ROFL
Quote from: mongrel on July 09, 2011, 02:53:40 AM
In fact if you do a lot of hard outdoor activity, wearing them while doing it will get them properly scuzzy.
Yup, and it also slows down the traffic on the back roads. Just want to be sure to watch those deeeep ditches. (susp) pnic ROFL ROFL
(susp) What's that thing your holding (susp)?? pnic
Quote from: crazell on July 09, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
(susp) What's that thing your holding (susp)?? pnic
21st century version of a scythe....
easy scalp remover
Hey blackfeet you better wrap that dewrag over the clearcut before it gets burned buddy ROFL ROFL
Too late, it has been burned and leathered already. Besides, that is not a clearcut, I am working on my Mohawk!!
Kris, you have seen too many Texas Chainsaw movies (susp)
nope sure aint
Quote from: Blackfeet on July 10, 2011, 01:46:01 PM
Too late, it has been burned and leathered already. Besides, that is not a clearcut, I am working on my Mohawk!!
Kris, you have seen too many Texas Chainsaw movies (susp)
I'm going green, mine is a solar panel.
Then you should be powered up for sure Brokenhawk... I see your storing your battery too! ROFL ROFL
whats a battery what witchcraft are you people talking about
Producing more forehead-solar panel,gut-battery storage. ROFL ROFL
Kris it's not that hard to figure out. ROFL hdslp
im stuck in the 18th century
They had the same problems then. They just didn't have that technology. ROFL ROFL
Quote from: Hammerhead on July 10, 2011, 05:08:53 PM
im stuck in the 18th century
Ok then, a scalp of little value