Like many others you have probably seen numerous posts on the making of black powder. Of course, discounting all the claims that that be best left to government thought police to regulate, has anyone tried doing it?
I know all the blaa blaa blaa must be spouted about how we will all die if we even attempt to circumvent the various regulating bodies but aside from that aspect how has it worked out?
In the spirit of our " muzzle loading on the cheap" I fully realize the the home manufacture of BP does not, at the moment, make home made BP cheaper.
there are instructions here in one of the old posts from a year ago... and the topic had a lot of replies - I have never tried it... I did make some relatively good homemade plastic at one time but won't do that again... I promised my P.O. :mini-devil-28492:
One of the fellers that come to our vous makes his own and it works very good,Don't know much else about it but itcan be done.
Foxfire # 5 page 246 - has a lesson on the making of black powder... [hmm]
hate to say it but I think thats the way our sport is going thanks to the mindless idiots in washington, hell I have to make my own cigarrettes now! But knowing how to make powder might save your life in the not too distant future-just be sure to get a good recipe for it and remember that even back in the old days, powder factories did "have accidents" so prudence and caution are words to live by...
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willow charcoal, saltpetre, and sulphur..the percentages are not hard to come by... :mini-devil-28492:
That seems simple enough. I guess you just need to know how much of each strpot. Don't need no accidents!!! thmbsup
Quote from: crazell on April 21, 2011
That seems simple enough. I guess you just need to know how much of each strpot. Don't need no accidents!!! thmbsup
If you make it it will go boom! the original dupont works had several major accidents - and they had vary excessive safety requirements for the time period! I would suggest a bunker in the far corner of your property only make small amounts at a time (easier to rebuild a little powder mill than a big one!)
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Quote from: crazell on April 21, 2011
That seems simple enough. I guess you just need to know how much of each strpot. Don't need no accidents!!! thmbsup
I would suggest a bunker in the far corner of your property
(no sense in killing the whole family tree at the same time)
The family tree? It's more like a coiled branch ROFL ROFL
I would suggest all the Foxfire books to be in your get out quick kit!
i have that foxfire book and will dig up the receipt
is this legal
Quote from: Hammerhead on May 11, 2011
is this legal
It certainly isn't smart.
I have not read the regs. I have heard it is not legal to make your own, perhaps this means Making your own to /and with the intent to distribute to others-I don't know.THEY don't want you too,because1. you could hurt others.2. you could hurt yourself[following all safety regs. and precautions still leaves a bit of risk but,most times when there was a commercial accident it was due to safety rules and /or regulations that were broken,ignored or otherwise aborted or bypassed.#3.doing it succesfully yourself makes you a little too free and independant of their control for their liking[they can't tax it, they can't control it and they can't cut off your supply of ammunition]
No.1 and 2. should be foremost in any persons plans when considering it's production.No. 3 is foremost in the mind of governing bodies throughout the world.
Let me make this perfectly clear! (yeah I know...)
This site does not encourage the making of your own powder. It is a very risky undertaking and even following the appropriate safety steps it is still highly a dangerous undertaking
However there are a few recipes on the internet if you do wish to try it...
since it is verboten i will not be posting the receipt. it can be found in foxfire 5
Quote from: captkody on May 12, 2011
since it is verboten i will not be posting the receipt. it can be found in foxfire 5
Most everyone knows that it's charcoal, saltpeter and sulfer in certain amounts, but it's the technique of mixing those quantities together that get most folks injured or worse along with buildings leveled.
I found the formula in an encyclopedia in the school library back in the mid-60's. liberated the sulphur & saltpeter from the chem lab (it was my homeroom and a couple of us helped the teacher set up for the experiments. We had taken Chem the year before) and made our own charcoal. It did go boom but our main use was small blocks to shoot or to blow things up. None of us had blackpowder guns but we ground up about 1/2 c. to make an imitation grenade. Ain't too sure why I'm still here. Guess I haven't paid my penance yet.
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Quote from: captkody on May 12, 2011
since it is verboten i will not be posting the receipt. it can be found in foxfire 5
It is not verboten to post it... just keeping the liability of the site to a minimum.... as in NONE - if you try this you are all alone...
Mix it in a tumbler, in a hole, way in the back yard, with wood top over it....just in case...
if you use stale urine and mix it in with the rest of the stuff it will not go bang when you mix it. the urine will evaporate out and it is an oxidizer that will give it more kick. this was taken from foxfire 5 if you try this and blow yourself up it isn't my fault.
When our son was in 5th grade he was in an "Advanced" class that required
all the kids to choose a project, research it, then do a presentation on it.
He chose Black Powder.
The recipe was easy enough to find, but we ran into problems when
we went to the drug store to get the saltpeter. They wouldn't sell it to us.
Fortunatley one of the Scouters I worked with had a drug store and
got it for us. But he told me that they aren't "supposed" to sell it or the sulfer,
as it could be made into BP.
We ground all the ingredients SEPERATLY then weighed them out to the correct
proportions. Then we WET them, mixed and sieved it.
I had to jump through some hoops to take my pistol to school for the demo,
but they DID let me do it.
In a side by side test with commercial powder and ours, the commercial had more umph,
but ours did go off and did push the wad out. My guess would be we would just need to
tweek our recipe, but it did work.
This post originally contained the recipe for black powder -- ingredients and amounts and the mixing procedure. After discussion amongst the staff it was decided that info of this sort is, in fact, not going to be permitted here.
We know that this info is "out there" in cyberspace. We know that several commonly-available books that any library can acquire for you contain this info. HOWEVER -- there is a lot of info "out there" that is not permitted here. Porn is "out there" and most definitely not permitted here. Likewise violent videos, profanity-filled comedy acts, and discussions of in-lines. We've decided that info that could lead to a kid or anyone else trying to brew up some black, and blowing some portion of his body off, is more than needs to be posted here. It's one thing to know that the info is "out there", even to tell people it's "out there", and something else again to essentially dump that info in the lap of every reader of this thread and say, "Here ya go!"
The making of black powder is an actual art and a potentially very dangerous one even when proper safety procedures are followed. When the directions for making BP are posted in a place like this, the poster by definition surrenders all responsibility for who might read those directions and the use they might put them to. It has been mentioned elsewhere that with every right, including that of self-expression and that of possessing both weapons and ammunition (hence, black powder), comes responsibility. We feel it's grossly irresponsible to post info on such a literally-volatile subject with no regard for who might use it, what their ability to use it might be, or the consequences of that use.
Edited by Mongrel -- the recipe for black powder manufacture doesn't need to be available here, even in a locked topic.
grandma says thank you strpot pnic pnic pnic pnic pnic pnic pnic pnic pnic
Kris: Why do I get the feeling that we should put you on the prayer list like NOW! Be CAREFUL!!! hdslp pnic Tim
darn store said they couldnt sell it. i told them i was perfectly safe then after i did my twitch they said no :'(
Kris, don't you get in enough trouble without trying!!!!
Grey Fox, that prayer, might not be a bad thing......
Thank you Mr Pharmacist
Kris we like you and would really rather you stuck around to see your 21st Birthday!
then i can fill the jug with somethin other than cool aid
Quote from: Red Badger on June 08, 2011
Thank you Mr Pharmacist
Kris we like you and would really rather you stuck around to see your 21st Birthday!
I would like to 2nd that emotion !!!!!!
Even though I made powder in my younger and dumber days, I don't recommend it. But if you're hell bent and bound and determined to do it, you can get your chemicals here: http://www.cheap-chemicals.com/filter.asp?f=CH8062%2CCH8064%2CCH8066%2CCH8068%2CCH5300%2CCH5302%2CCH8315&m=2&cm_mmc=Google+AdWords-_-Chemicals+-+Black_Powder-_-black%20powder+-+Phrase-_-+--+1884395813%7C-%7C100000000000000042444&cm_guid=1-_-100000000000000042444-_-1884395813
You can also use potassium perclorate or potassium clorate as a 50 % substitute for potassium nitrate.
My advise though is don't do it. I got lucky and didn't get hurt or killed.
Quote from: Red Badger on May 12, 2011
Let me make this perfectly clear! (yeah I know...)
This site does not encourage the making of your own powder. It is a very risky undertaking and even following the appropriate safety steps it is still highly a dangerous undertaking
However there are a few recipes on the internet if you do wish to try it...
Bump- yes, I know, I'm being a wet blanket but this kind of stuff does get monitored by government types sometimes.
OK I have said this before. I have made just about every kind expedient explosive from black powder to nitro.. Thank God I got away with it, but you are playing a very dangerous game of Russion roulette. When I did this I was in the military and was working in a fairly controlled situation. One small mistake and you have lost a hand, an eye, or your life.
Quote from: old salt on June 08, 2011
OK I have said this before. I have made just about every kind expedient explosive from black powder to nitro.. Thank God I got away with it, but you are playing a very dangerous game of Russion roulette. When I did this I was in the military and was working in a fairly controlled situation. One small mistake and you have lost a hand, an eye, or your life.
Agreed. There are a number of high school chemistry teachers that lost body parts and their jobs after concoting a nitrogen/iodine explosive that is harmless until is dries out, then becomes shock sensitive, meaning that like nitroglycerin is will go off when you breath on it the wrong way.
i posted it for informational purposes only
I never got killed by black powder as a kid....just burned the hair off my face and left side of head and turned left arm a nice shade of BLACK..lived through it and was more careful after that ....had help from little brother....he managed to drop a match into the bag we were blasting things out of..he ducked and I burned. It will boom without being contained!! We hadn't even made pipe bombs yet..(needed the fuse)..
Doug
PS Kris--it really isn't worth it...stick with smoke poles...
Kris, your enthusiasm for this pasttime is admirable, but in this case your enthusiasm is precisely the quality that could get you injured or killed. In a young man of your age the line between "enthusiasm" and "impatience" is very fine, and in this case crossing it might very well mean you won't be coming back. There's plenty for you to learn, yet, without messing with this.
So far as the recipe having been posted for informational purposes, I notice it was after multiple warnings and admonitions and with full awareness that Kris is fascinated with the whole idea. At the same time that a person has every right to say what he pleases, and give out whatever legal information he wishes, with every right comes a responsibility to consider the potential consequences of exercising that right. Blow yourself up and I couldn't care less -- I'll chalk it up to Darwin having been right and go about my business. Giving a kid the information that makes such a mishap possible, though, and declaring it was just for informational purposes (and, I suspect, that whatever happens as a result is HIS problem) -- well, I realize that with my opinion and a dollar I might be able to buy a cup of coffee, but my humble opinion is that it was a hugely irresponsible thing to have done.
I am locking this topic because safety reasons for all concerned.
There will no further dicssion allowed
Old Salt Factor