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Title: Leg Bone Pan Charger
Post by: Blackfeet on January 28, 2011, 03:10:57 AM
Similar to Scrimshaw. This is actually done with a wood burner, Tomahawk and Medicine wheel on far side.
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Post by: Bulldog lady on January 28, 2011, 03:36:34 AM
That is very nice - wonder if leg bones smell as bad as horn with they get hot?! :qz: 
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Post by: Blackfeet on January 28, 2011, 04:25:13 AM
As a matter of fact, they do, oh yes! Not only that, but they take a huge amount of heat.
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Post by: heatherhistorian on January 28, 2011, 11:39:33 AM
That is very pretty!
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Post by: beowulf on January 28, 2011, 03:36:10 PM
that I like ! thmbsup never thought of using a bone , but thats just a danged good idea !
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Post by: Blackfeet on January 28, 2011, 04:50:37 PM
Beowulf,

The beauty of the leg bone is that it has a natural hole through both ends for cartilage/ligament. A great place to thread some sinew for attachment of choice. I am using the other end of this bone for a short starter, but will probably put a brass bolster on that one so it doesn't crack.  I'll send pic when finished
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Post by: david32cal on January 28, 2011, 05:16:07 PM
nice! thmbsup
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Post by: Bulldog lady on January 30, 2011, 04:57:09 AM
OK  only dumb question is the one you to embarrased to asked!!  rdfce  what is a pan charger?  [hmm]  fancy name for handle to slip over skillet handle? ( plate charger is just a fancy plate for looks,) and one more to wash!   not a clue   dah dummy!
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Post by: old salt on January 30, 2011, 05:21:18 AM
Bulldog Lady
A pan charger is used to prim the pan on a flint lock to ignite the main charge
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Post by: Bison Horn on January 30, 2011, 10:51:02 AM
Great looking pan charger!  dntn
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on February 16, 2011, 06:36:14 AM
 Great job,  (susp) what's the leg off???? Was it another bad dinner night at yer house hntr. Just kidding is that deer bone and if it is I hope you don't mind me stealin yer idea I like it so much I want one for me.  Great job very cool dntn
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Post by: Blackfeet on February 16, 2011, 02:31:33 PM
That is a deer leg bone aged a couple of years.
A couple of things to note. The bone tends to split naturally as it dries along the length so when you clean out the marrow, use caution to step it out slowly. Same thing with your brass dispenser end, take a little at a time to fit, but too tight will result in splitting. The next one that I do will incorporate some form of end cap to strengthen that area. Good luck thmbsup
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on February 21, 2011, 06:59:48 AM
 Hey blackfeet guess what, I found out today just how brittle those legs are.  ;D Try again when I find the rest of my bones.
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Post by: Blackfeet on February 21, 2011, 05:45:02 PM
Yeah, I almost lost this one when I was fitting the end plug. On a similar note, I have heard a snap in my den/cave and went in to find that some of my bear teeth had shattered from drying out :'(
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on February 21, 2011, 06:39:39 PM
 There is a gizmo stuff you cover them with so they won't do that. I remember my mom covering bear and wolf teeth years ago, she just gave my daughter a wolf tooth necklace that a native alaskan gave her when they lived there before I was born. They coated it with something. The wolf tooth necklace almost looks new and its almost 45 years old. I'll ask her and get back to you.
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Post by: Blackfeet on February 21, 2011, 06:55:21 PM
Thanks, I have a couple more skulls that are probably getting to that point now
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on March 14, 2011, 05:11:57 AM
 Blackfeet sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. She can't remember what that stuff was. Am trying to research it. Will let you know.
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Post by: crazell on March 14, 2011, 05:18:53 AM
that is purdy blackfeet thmbsup. had never heard of or seen one. now i know what brokenhawk was talking about.. flwa
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on March 16, 2011, 05:20:12 AM
Gonna have to try again when I catch up on my honey do list. Still have some leg bones lyin about
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Post by: Blackfeet on March 16, 2011, 04:13:57 PM
Yeah, I am going to do the other end of this bone this weekend if I can get away for a while. I am surely going with a brass cap over the end of the bone this time
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Post by: crazell on March 16, 2011, 04:16:30 PM
when your done post a pic. thmbsup
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on March 24, 2011, 06:42:25 AM
Blackfeet, found another leg bone, gonna give it another go, much slower this time.
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Post by: Blackfeet on March 24, 2011, 01:36:23 PM
I look forward to seeing it. I have the end of this one rounded and am going to try to fit the bolster to it this weekend. This end has much more character than the other but less surface to do artwork. I had another idea that you may want to work into yours. I am thinking that the full length groove in the bone would be an ideal spot to fit a nipple pick. Just have to figure a mounting method. [hmm]
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on March 24, 2011, 02:11:17 PM
 Maybe fairly small rounded staples, you would have to watch out for splintering, but predrilled it might work.
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Post by: Blackfeet on March 24, 2011, 11:49:45 PM
I was thinking perhaps some tight wraps of sinew around the bone
with the pick underneath with a sinew tether? [hmm]
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on March 25, 2011, 12:03:33 AM
That would look cool, and in an event of damage easy to repair.
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Post by: Blackfeet on March 25, 2011, 01:13:18 AM
So Brokenhawk, how is it going so far? Better luck? I was thinking that you may have better luck filing out the bulk of the marrow with a small round file. and route out the plug with a dremel, less chancy than a drill press. As I said, I am hoping to get some time this weekend to do the other half of this one, then have to wait for more bones to dry
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Post by: Horner75 on March 26, 2011, 12:40:41 AM
Try soaking the bone in vinegar for a week or so, as this will slightly soften it!  Works good on horn too!

Rick
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on March 26, 2011, 02:15:10 AM
Haven't started drilling the new leg bone, will try the vinegar trick. Great idea. Thanks
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on March 27, 2011, 04:51:12 AM
Quote from: Blackfeet on March 25, 2011, 01:13:18 AM
So Brokenhawk, how is it going so far? Better luck? I was thinking that you may have better luck filing out the bulk of the marrow with a small round file. and route out the plug with a dremel, less chancy than a drill press. As I said, I am hoping to get some time this weekend to do the other half of this one, then have to wait for more bones to dry
Blackfeet, tried another leg today, I think there too old and brittle. Got a spot in the woods where I find alot of dumped carcasses, will go there tomorrow and see if I can find some that are fresher.
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Post by: Blackfeet on March 27, 2011, 04:34:29 PM
That may be an indication that this one may not last either. I did finally get to try it yesterday. Fired about thirty balls and still had quite a bit of the 4f left  so it will certainly work for a squirrel hunting trek, at least around here. Just have to keep it dry. I know, 3f would have worked, but at the time that I bought it, I was going by 'expert' advice that I needed FFFFg.
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Post by: Blackfeet on April 30, 2011, 11:47:35 AM
I have been doing some research on the cracking issue, actually directed at finding a way to keep a bear skulls teeth from shattering, found this gem with the search being
Preserving Teeth:


Re: Preserving Teeth

A tip on preserving teeth is to avoid telling a samoan rugby league front rower he's a pansy
(that was found on a dentist's forum)(susp)

Only thing I have found so far is to soak them in mineral oil for as long as you can............................
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Post by: crazell on May 03, 2011, 12:02:46 AM
Blackfeet I have a question for you. Which part of the leg are you using. Upper ,lower front or back. I have two lower front legs. Just curious.
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Post by: Blackfeet on May 03, 2011, 02:16:48 AM
Quote from: BrokenHawk on February 21, 2011, 06:39:39 PM
There is a gizmo stuff you cover them with so they won't do that. I remember my mom covering bear and wolf teeth years ago..............They coated it with something. The wolf tooth necklace almost looks new and its almost 45 years old. I'll ask her and get back to you.

Brokenhawk, did you ever find out whet that stuff was?

Crazell, it is a shin bone, I believe from the front leg.
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Post by: crazell on May 03, 2011, 02:47:49 AM
Thank you for letting know. The one i have aren't even 1 year removed from the deer. Should i let them age or would they better to try now?
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on May 03, 2011, 02:49:37 AM
Quote from: Blackfeet on May 03, 2011, 02:16:48 AM
Quote from: BrokenHawk on February 21, 2011, 06:39:39 PM
There is a gizmo stuff you cover them with so they won't do that. I remember my mom covering bear and wolf teeth years ago..............They coated it with something. The wolf tooth necklace almost looks new and its almost 45 years old. I'll ask her and get back to you.

Brokenhawk, did you ever find out whet that stuff was?

Crazell, it is a shin bone, I believe from the front leg.
Just got back from cali, gonna research it a little more tonight will let you guys know if I find anything.
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Post by: Blackfeet on May 03, 2011, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: crazell on May 03, 2011, 02:47:49 AM
The one i have aren't even 1 year removed from the deer. Should i let them age or would they better to try now?

I am hoping that Brokenhawk or I can find something to help preserve them. I have found a couple of references to soaking in mineral oil. This one has cracked more since I made it and I will be fitting it with brass cap. The other end of the shin, with the knuckle is actually a stronger looking bone but has less area for engraving. If you want, I will turn out a few caps and send you one. You will have to sand the bone round to fit and epoxy the cap in place. This will keep it together even if it cracks full length.
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Post by: ErikPrice1@msn.com on May 03, 2011, 03:05:24 AM
Wonder if lacquer would seal it but not change the color?
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Post by: Blackfeet on May 03, 2011, 03:10:06 AM
I don't know about that. What I can't figure is how long to soak in mineral oil and how long does it last after. The guy was selling bear teeth and assured the buyers that he had stored them in oil to prevent cracking. Question that I have is, what happens now that they are out? At any rate, an endcap will hold them together. I will tap the cap for the thread of the spring loaded charger head from TOW.